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    Quote Originally Posted by miller0863 View Post
    I just don’t understand how we are apparently sailing close to the wind on spending rules, when just about every other club in the division is outspending us and has a fraction of the commercial income. It doesn’t make sense.
    That's totally understandable and it is definitely messy. For example, we're discussing sailing close to the wind on "spending rules" but there is more than one set - and each has different parameters.

    In the League at the moment we have Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR) which are the League's version of Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules. The rules are similar, but not the same.

    So with the Premier League's PSR rules, clubs are limited to losing a maximum of £105 million over a three season spell. Clubs can deduct certain costs from this though (and some may do some "clever accounting" to enable this) via things like youth work, stadium infrastructure and women's football.

    Then then English Football League is still using Financial Fair Play (FFP) and the rules vary a bit between divisions. Championship clubs for example follow the PSR rules, while League One and League Two clubs follow something called the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) which I know next to nothing about.

    UEFA now have these Financial Sustainability Rules (FSR) in place that are the successor to FFP rules. The Premier League is considering replacing it's PSR rule set-up with a squad cost ratio similar to FSR and the ratio of what percentage of your incomings that you're allowed to spend will likely come down each season.

    With that in mind, if you are anticipating being allowed to spend a lesser percentage of your incomings and want to plan for circumstances where you may have fallen out of the Champion's League for a season or two (which we do) then you would give consideration to lowering expenditure a bit. That may come via smaller transfer fees (target youths, free agents, release clauses and "opportunities" like Chiesa) or alternatively you could bring down wages, via having your own personalised spending cap (eg "anyone asking for more than £250k-per-week we'll just sell" as a made-up example) going forward - essentially like sliding the little toggle in those FIFA games for spend, albeit much more complex.

    As to other clubs, some may have high fees but (relatively) low wages, or less squad depth, or make money from paid loans, or sell more players etc etc - or indeed some clubs will try to find loop-holes.

    I'm no expert by any means and I cannot re-iterate enough that I want all three to stay - just trying to create an understanding of how things might look. Hope this has helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miller0863 View Post
    I just don’t understand how we are apparently sailing close to the wind on spending rules, when just about every other club in the division is outspending us and has a fraction of the commercial income. It doesn’t make sense. Our income has rocketed in recent years and while I understand our wage bill has increased, there are several clubs who on the face of it are way out of kilter compared to us, in spending re income.
    Clever accounting.. Seems surplus money is owed to somebody?? Hmm..

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    Quote Originally Posted by redgold View Post
    You really have to factor in Mo's stamina, athleticism and fitness. He might be in his early 30's but he hasn't really got the fitness of a typical player of his age. He has a good couple of years on his actual age, and we should pay him accordingly.
    Yep. He seems ronaldoesque in his dedication to fitness. Admittedly, he has lost half a yard of pace but his play making ability has really developed to go with his goals. Ideally you'd want him to stick around for at least another 2 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by redgold View Post
    You really have to factor in Mo's stamina, athleticism and fitness. He might be in his early 30's but he hasn't really got the fitness of a typical player of his age. He has a good couple of years on his actual age, and we should pay him accordingly.
    Lost a yard of pace but he still has great movement.
    Injured for the 1st time really last year, and ageing.
    32 is an age where players can drop of quickly.

    Mo needs 11 more PL goals to equal Henry's record & 20 more to match Aguerro.

    If he signs up with us again, he's very likely to leave the PL as the top foreign scorer in PL history, overtaking kunt aguerro.

    Can see why the club are leveraging him to take a pay cut, tbh it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    Lost a yard of pace but he still has great movement.
    Injured for the 1st time really last year, and ageing.
    32 is an age where players can drop of quickly.

    Mo needs 11 more PL goals to equal Henry's record & 20 more to match Aguerro.

    If he signs up with us again, he's very likely to leave the PL as the top foreign scorer in PL history, overtaking kunt aguerro.

    Can see why the club are leveraging him to take a pay cut, tbh it makes sense.
    That last sentence, not for me. His goal tally every season is priceless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianlfc View Post
    That last sentence, not for me. His goal tally every season is priceless.
    Yea but if your're a bank.. and into banking.. Think of the bottom line. Only the bottom line.

    Never lose sight of why it means more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miller0863 View Post
    How are you reading the “club needs to show it matches his ambition,” line?
    Sounds to me like he's off. How many times have we heard the same dross from players over the years. And the mugs keep falling for it.
    VOTE JOCKY tae fix this fiasco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    Lost a yard of pace but he still has great movement.
    Injured for the 1st time really last year, and ageing.
    32 is an age where players can drop of quickly.

    Mo needs 11 more PL goals to equal Henry's record & 20 more to match Aguerro.

    If he signs up with us again, he's very likely to leave the PL as the top foreign scorer in PL history, overtaking kunt aguerro.

    Can see why the club are leveraging him to take a pay cut, tbh it makes sense.
    It would only make sense if we had a ready made replacement lined up. Without that, it's madness.
    VOTE JOCKY tae fix this fiasco.

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    and it returns for another round of garbage
    Cleaning up the Scots since the 13th century

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    It’s an international break where Salah will not be involved for Egypt, being left out of their games against Cape Verde and Botswana due to concerns over the standard of artificial pitches that increase chance of injury.

    Salah will instead have a two-week ‘break’, which is a huge positive for Liverpool going into the winter run of games that include Real Madrid and Man City in the week after the internationals.

    Arabic reporter Ismael Mahmoud has claimed that the fortnight will provide time for “serious contract renewal negotiations.”

    “I’ve been told that Mohamed Salah staying at Liverpool during the international break will be very important for the club to begin serious contract renewal negotiations.

    “Been told too that Liverpool knows Salah is asking for a new two-year contract.”

    Of course, while Mahmoud’s claims cannot be taken as gospel, he is a legitimate reporter with links to Egyptian sources.

    If accurate, Salah is seeking a two-year extension to his current deal, which of course expires at the end of the current campaign. A new deal of that nature would tie him to the Reds up to 2027, when he would be 35.

    Salah is likely to visit Dubai during the international break, where his agent, Ramy Abbas lives and where negotiations over his last contract negotiation took place.
    Salah’s last contract renewal, in 2022, saw him become the highest-paid player in the club’s history on a reported £350,000 per week basic salary.

    The player has intimated his desire to stay at the club, including via a somewhat cryptic social media post last week in which he wrote: “All teams win matches but there’s only 1 champion in the end. That’s what we want.”

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