Slot- And improvement of players

[Kev0909]

So a random thought, I can't put it into words or describe it so i'm wondering what other peoples thoughts are on the matter

How did slot, make salah even better this season to have his best one for us?? 1 away from equalling most goals/assists!! that's with strikers off form too!

The midifeld- Wow...... so different under slot, how did Grav suddenly turn world class? last season he was getting slated a bit, and went "missing" and people was wondering he was good enough

Not sure how accurate these "ratings" are I was going to post them all, and the difference between the seasons but frankly it's too much effort when i'm hungover

https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/47/stats/season/23685/players/rating/team/8650

But compare this, and go on the option to selection season- and look at previous

The decline of robertson is obvious, but wow look at that difference.... on the flip side look how much better grav has been... trent is still up there, we'll miss him bigtime.

So... what's changed? players use to more of the system? not rock n roll ?? nunez was better last season too, there's some that have done worse- but a lot have done a lot better.... and unexpected. more structured and balanced tactically??

This is no taking away from what Klopp did it's not about manager vs manager never that, i'm just curious on peoples thoughts why some players have improved massivly.

[jozza800]

I'm not buying into this 'improvement'.

Managers of course make a huge difference in terms of tactical set up and maybe getting the most out of players but there's only so much you can coach to actually improve a player.

All the coaching in the world isn't going to suddenly turn Darwin Nunez into prime Ian Rush.

Most players' physical abilty obviously wanes as they get older. Which is what we are seeing with Robbo.

As for Grav. He's played. Jurgen hardly used him last season. Had he played him more, we might not of have faltered towards the end of the season. Likewise with Arne, if he'd rotated slightly more we might have had a domestic double and still been in the CL.

We have a good set of players, certainly better than a few give credit for. And this shown by the fact we've pretty much replicated what we did last season, just this season we've not faltered at the end or suffered a ridiculous run of injuries.

Both Jurgen and Slot have both got the most out of them.

Good Recruitment > Good Players > Good Manager

[Kev0909]

I'll agree to disgree Jozza

I'd argue some players are more suited, to certain tactics/Roles, hence the improvement.

I think the midfield has more control now, and we do as a team in general- which suits certain players more, but that's just my opinion.

I was wondering what everyone else thinks, hence the thread.

but what about salah?? where's that come from?? it has to be something to do with the tactics- yes you can't coach Nunez to be a prime rush.. but you improve players by finding there best position/roles and tactically in general.

My point was, slots not magically made players better,-- my point was tactically, and how certain players have improved- and what others thought about it, and that's why i'm trying to over-think and figure it out and what's been different, all i ca n think of is in control more.

[Steveo]

I'm not buying into this 'improvement'.

Managers of course make a huge difference in terms of tactical set up and maybe getting the most out of players but there's only so much you can coach to actually improve a player.

All the coaching in the world isn't going to suddenly turn Darwin Nunez into prime Ian Rush.

Most players' physical abilty obviously wanes as they get older. Which is what we are seeing with Robbo.

As for Grav. He's played. Jurgen hardly used him last season. Had he played him more, we might not of have faltered towards the end of the season. Likewise with Arne, if he'd rotated slightly more we might have had a domestic double and still been in the CL.

We have a good set of players, certainly better than a few give credit for. And this shown by the fact we've pretty much replicated what we did last season, just this season we've not faltered at the end or suffered a ridiculous run of injuries.

Both Jurgen and Slot have both got the most out of them.

Good Recruitment > Good Players > Good Manager

Tough to argue with any of this.

[jozza800]

I'll agree to disgree Jozza

I'd argue some players are more suited, to certain tactics/Roles, hence the improvement.

I think the midfield has more control now, and we do as a team in general- which suits certain players more, but that's just my opinion.

I was wondering what everyone else thinks, hence the thread.

I would say it's more tactical than rather than the players getting better.

[Kev0909]

I would say it's more tactical than rather than the players getting better.

I edited post before I saw this

that's my whole point tactically how has it improved said players? what's changed? why is salah having season of his life? etc etc there's so much too it i'm not sure where to start, but I find it very interesting I wonder if the dutch players- something to do with dutch manager?

[CCTV]

So a random thought, I can't put it into words or describe it so i'm wondering what other peoples thoughts are on the matter

How did slot, make salah even better this season to have his best one for us?? 1 away from equalling most goals/assists!! that's with strikers off form too!

The midifeld- Wow...... so different under slot, how did Grav suddenly turn world class? last season he was getting slated a bit, and went "missing" and people was wondering he was good enough

Not sure how accurate these "ratings" are I was going to post them all, and the difference between the seasons but frankly it's too much effort when i'm hungover

https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/47/stats/season/23685/players/rating/team/8650

But compare this, and go on the option to selection season- and look at previous

The decline of robertson is obvious, but wow look at that difference.... on the flip side look how much better grav has been... trent is still up there, we'll miss him bigtime.

So... what's changed? players use to more of the system? not rock n roll ?? nunez was better last season too, there's some that have done worse- but a lot have done a lot better.... and unexpected. more structured and balanced tactically??

This is no taking away from what Klopp did it's not about manager vs manager never that, i'm just curious on peoples thoughts why some players have improved massivly.

Absolutely.

Midfield 3 & even Jones could be shortlisted for pots. That's a massive uptick on those 4 at the end of last season. They've all improved and earned their praise. Endo & Elliott very impressive when played.

Salah, Diaz, Gakpo, Nunez, Jota & Chiesa.
Anyone of the 6 could improve Arsenals 1st eleven.

Virgil is signed up, praise the Lord. He's won 1 PL title and God willing he'll be lifting his 1st PL Trophy as Captain. The first of many
A bit of transfer activity expected in defense, left-back, Trent & Matip.

Alisson, our Beautiful Big Bear. Giorgi arrives in the summer. Kelleher expected to leave in the summer playing his part in winning a few titles.

The squads got a good age profile & full of champions 🏆

That was my post after the match.

In terms of this season.

He's been strong enough to get Trent defending better as a rightback. No more/far less wandering into midfield. Trent was talking about Slot correcting his body position/angle by 8 degrees earlier in the season to make defending easier..

Going into more detail about how Slot endeared himself to the right-back, Rimmer continued: "So I said to Trent, 'What do you think of him (Slot)?'’ And he said, 'Right, so, second week that we’re there', he says to me in training, 'Can I have a word with you after training, Trent?'

"He goes, 'Here we go – this is when I’m going to get told I’m a terrible defender, blah blah blah.' And he goes, 'I’ve got a few video clips you should look at. He goes, 'Here we go, here’s where Anthony Gordon’s roasting me, here’s where such and such is roasting me.'"

He added: "And he said, 'He’s got 50 clips of me in training, and he said, 'This is a really good position – if you turn your body eight degrees to the right, you’ve got a better chance of making a strong tackle than the way you stand at the moment.' Trent said, 'I was just blown away; it was all positive.' And he said, 'Look, I get it. I completely get it.'"

https://www.liverpool.com/liverpool-fc-news/features/trent-alexander-arnold-arne-slot-30280517

Konate looked like Klopp was fed up of him at the end of last year and maybe moved on. This year only contracts/sagas the only reason to move him on.

Midfield a massive uptick here. Largely down to the double pivot. Seriously Grav, Sobozla & Jones all for more steady looking this year. And MacA whilst rated by many last year, he's improved 2.

Salah, not really improved just we setup even more than before to make him our focal point.
He's getting loads of chances to score and assist this season compared with last.
This stat is loosely recalled from say after January 2025 off the anfield wrap podcast.
**By the end of January 2025 Jota & Núñez playing many of our games at CF at that point had as many shots in the 24/25 season combined, as Darwin had in 3 January games in the 2023/24 season. All the stats bombing shows highlight these changes.
Glad Mo's signed up, he's a legend, always fit and a penalty taker. But his numbers flatter to deceive. When out last year the team performed better. When he's not playing someone else has to get those chances. And they fucking took them. I'm delighted he's signed up and all, but Virgil was the key man for me. Our other attackers get pelters relative to the Adored Mo Salah.

#♥️Gakpo 17 goals & 6 assists in 2,387 minutes all comps.
Goal or assist per 103.7 minutes.
Alexander Isak 26 goals & 6 assists in 3,054 minutes.
Goal or assist per 95.4 minutes.
That's phenomenal by Gakpo when you consider Mo plays every game, and others do more of Mos hard work for him.


Think Salah will win the pots handily, Virgil widely acknowledged but there are a few others who could be shortlisted and a fair amount of them vastly improved on last season.