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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTV View Post
    In other languages race is related to the language spoken, or the nation of that race.

    So you can easily define a person as German race, or German-Speaking race.
    This is incorrect.

    You're conflating ethnicity with race.
    They're not the same thing nor interchangeable.

    Language is typically related to, and deritive of ethnicity and more pointedly of culture.
    Not necessarily (nor strictly) to or of nationality.

    There are very few (if any) monoethnic nations in the world left today in which you could argue that the ethnicity and race of the people is singular (and therefore) interchangeable with the nationality or the national identity.

    Even in Africa and sub-Saharan Africa where some would be wont to equate "black" with the countries as their singular identity, it's mostly not true anymore thanks to colonialism and immigration where you have native non-black people that are "African" born, raised and culturally African, but not "black" in the sense of their race.
    Places like Japan used to be considered monoethnic due to their strong homogenuity in their ethnic composition, but even they today are more diverse in terms of their ethnic and racial diversity to be considered strictly monoethnic anymore.

    There's no such thing as a "German race" - at least not in the English language (which is why you probably tried to qualify it by claiming this to be the case in other languages. It doesn't work that way in English).

    Nor a "...German-speaking race"

    There is a German nationality (defined by national border but not by a single ethnicity or race), ....or a Germanic Ethnicity (Not specifically defined by, nor confined to national borders, as it's found throughout Europe, including within the British Isles, all the way up to the British monarchy who have Germanic heritage and roots.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by justincredible View Post
    PL Fußball Uber alles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    That's really not true..

    David Coote, a Premier League referee, was sacked by the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) in December 2024 following an investigation into his conduct. The primary reasons for his termination were:

    Derogatory Comments: A video circulated on social media that appeared to show Coote making offensive remarks about Liverpool and their former manager, Jürgen Klopp.

    Breach of Contract: The PGMOL stated that his actions were in "serious breach" of his employment contract, making his position "untenable."
    Errrr what comment what was used that was the worst? any? Its likely the criticism of him being "German" was the worst and all in likelihood got him removed..

    "Xenophobia and racism are similar as both has roots in discrimination"
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    The vast majority of people would agree. that Coote was kicked into touch,cause of the usage of the word "German" when addressing Jurgen Klopp
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    Regarding Coote, this new news is not surprising and almost somehow expected in this day and age when child sex offenses and abuses seem to be all the rage and whatnot.

    The PGMOL continue to be a rolling embarrassment with their personnel hiring and vetting decisions.

    To bad he was not in the US where he could have run for public office and probably won.

    The stupid Git probably cost us a title with his on-field fuckery and shithousery ..........if not two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    Errrr what comment what was used that was the worst? any? Its likely the criticism of him being "German" was the worst and all in likelihood got him removed..

    "Xenophobia and racism are similar as both has roots in discrimination"
    Similar, but not the same at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by justincredible View Post
    Similar, but not the same at all...
    Still prejudice and got Coote removed.. I admit. In essence it wasn't racism. So i take that back
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    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    Errrr what comment what was used that was the worst? any? Its likely the criticism of him being "German" was the worst and all in likelihood got him removed..
    In your imagination maybe be but that isn't what happened:

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13384956/david-coote-sacked-referee-charged-by-fa-for-comments-about-jurgen-klopp-but-no-charges-brought-over-gambling-misconduct-allegations

    Quote Originally Posted by justme View Post
    "Xenophobia and racism are similar as both has roots in discrimination"
    Many things are similar. BUT


    Consider a scenario where a white European expresses animosity towards white British or American tourists, viewing them as culturally invasive. This would be an instance of xenophobia without the element of racism. Conversely, a person of colour who is a citizen of a predominantly white country experiencing discrimination from a white compatriot is a victim of racism, not xenophobia, as both individuals share the same nationality.

    Are we getting anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Dynasty View Post
    This is incorrect.

    You're conflating ethnicity with race.
    They're not the same thing nor interchangeable.

    Language is typically related to, and deritive of ethnicity and more pointedly of culture.
    Not necessarily (nor strictly) to or of nationality.

    There are very few (if any) monoethnic nations in the world left today in which you could argue that the ethnicity and race of the people is singular (and therefore) interchangeable with the nationality or the national identity.

    Even in Africa and sub-Saharan Africa where some would be wont to equate "black" with the countries as their singular identity, it's mostly not true anymore thanks to colonialism and immigration where you have native non-black people that are "African" born, raised and culturally African, but not "black" in the sense of their race.
    Places like Japan used to be considered monoethnic due to their strong homogenuity in their ethnic composition, but even they today are more diverse in terms of their ethnic and racial diversity to be considered strictly monoethnic anymore.

    There's no such thing as a "German race" - at least not in the English language (which is why you probably tried to qualify it by claiming this to be the case in other languages. It doesn't work that way in English).

    Nor a "...German-speaking race"

    There is a German nationality (defined by national border but not by a single ethnicity or race), ....or a Germanic Ethnicity (Not specifically defined by, nor confined to national borders, as it's found throughout Europe, including within the British Isles, all the way up to the British monarchy who have Germanic heritage and roots.)
    I originally posted it can be done in other languages, and that is true.

    Here's an Englishman speaking in English about the Irish race.

    In 1904 ten years before the passage of the third Home Rule bill, Churchill said about Irish Home Rule: "I remain of the opinion that a separate parliament for Ireland would be dangerous and impractical." He held a belief that Ireland should have remained part of the United Kingdom. However, in 1912, during a speech in Belfast, he supported the creation of an Irish parliament ruled from Dublin, a decision that upset Ulster Unionists. These comments were seen as a retraction of his comments from 1904. He said: "History and poetry, justice and good sense, alike demand that this race, gifted, virtuous and brave, which has lived so long and endured so much should not, in view of her passionate desire, be shut out of the family of nations and should not be lost forever among indiscriminate multitudes of men." He wanted a new relationship between Great Britain and Ireland to foster a "federation of English speaking peoples all over the world".[76]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Winston_Churchill
    So that's a prominent Englishman speaking in English about the Irish race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    In your imagination maybe be but that isn't what happened:

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13384956/david-coote-sacked-referee-charged-by-fa-for-comments-about-jurgen-klopp-but-no-charges-brought-over-gambling-misconduct-allegations



    Many things are similar. BUT


    Consider a scenario where a white European expresses animosity towards white British or American tourists, viewing them as culturally invasive. This would be an instance of xenophobia without the element of racism. Conversely, a person of colour who is a citizen of a predominantly white country experiencing discrimination from a white compatriot is a victim of racism, not xenophobia, as both individuals share the same nationality.

    Are we getting anywhere?
    are you getting anywhere Karl Marx?
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