Reply With QuoteWasn't that when henderson and Kabak was playing at CB ?????????Originally Posted by Insidious
Can't really compare I believe we was knackered & many injury's
this is start of the season.... don't try and go there.
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20/21 season yeah - around January or February time - lost 4 on the spin, then we... agh I can't remember if it was a draw or loss....but I know we lost 2 more after that.
So we lost 6-of-7 at one point. Of course, a few outlets started quoting stuff from the first half of Klopp's last Dortmund season - "found out" and "style of play has a time limit" and all that guff.
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Wasn't that when henderson and Kabak was playing at CB ?????????
Can't really compare I believe we was knackered & many injury's
this is start of the season.... don't try and go there.
Rowdy Yates
Henderson and Fabinho - for the first 2 Kabak hadn’t arrived in time really. Klopp was begging until the end of January. His first 2 games were the second 2 of those 4 straight defeats.
Never forget why the man was so exhausted.
Rowdy Yates
We had the best manager in the world - fighting against the penny pinchers - and even going on TV and all but demanding a defensive signing to virtual silence until finally on the stroke of February landing the world class Kabak
That season was a disaster in waiting.
99 points the season prior was a better squad but won the title in a similar mentality fashion to last season under Slot in my opinion: sheer will and guts to stop City after 97 points and no title. All on the back of no signings - the FSG and their “bills to pay” despite number 6. The team was mentally primed to win that title and they made it unwinnable for anyone else, but it came at a cost. A shattered squad was then stiffed again. Sold a senior defensive player and didn’t replace—as if we needed the money. Stood Gini’s contract down too, refused to give him a salary matching his peer or any comm at all - so when the injuries occurred, there wasn’t the same will from him and a defence that was so thin on seniors (1.5 was my claim at the time) that we drafted in Hendo and Fabinho. That team had a big excuse. They literally crashed mentally and physically - yet somehow clawed it back to make 3rd..!
This one has no such excuse. Integrating so many players is tough - but Klopp managed it with his 2.0… We knew last season we were a weaker squad than Arsenal - we knew it, apart from the shills and the blind, that is. We saw it, yet went into the market to do what? Beef it up? No….to basically change the DNA. Why, when it was so obviously that very DNA that won the title! Klopp DNA. Even then much was dependent on Arsenal not signing a striker and having a total mare on the injury front.
It makes this summer more baffling than even I suggested when - happy as I was with Wirtz… I stated it was a panic-buy summer. They shat their pants. They knew it was the first genuine post-Klopp window. They did zero the summer Slot arrived.
Listen, I really hoped and still hope to be proved wrong, but the lack of true depth and, more critically, the loss of that unquantifiable Klopp-era spiritual fight is staring us in the face. We don't just miss a manager; we miss the mentality he built, and now we're seeing how little of it survived contact with the new reality.
Hopefully we have signed genuine quality and hopefully they come good - it’s the only way out now.
Sounds bleak - and that’s because - at this moment - it is.
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To your first point, I believe you're right, yes.
To your second point, I am not trying to "go there" - tees said he didn't recall an instance of 4 straight losses and I've mentioned where 4 straight losses occured. Simple as.
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Fair enough sid, just sick of people making excuses for this shitshow
Simple as.
I blame VAR & PGMOL lols
Rowdy Yates
To be clear..
We had Centre mids at CB for weeks leading up to it too with both Hendo and Fabinho featuring game after game.
Fabinho drafted in at CB from late October 2020 and remained there until the first week of April - when fit - and Hendo at CB from early January until the end of February.
Kabak wasn't fielded for the losses at home to Brighton and City.. That was Phillips and Hendo at CB and a Fabinho and Hendo at CB..
To be fair to Kabak - and I am not suggesting he was an answer... clearly Klopp was after better - but he only played in 3 of our 9 league defeats that season.
Had Lovren not been cashed in on without replacement and we would have been in much better shape.
Last edited by Steveo; 26th October 2025 at 02:12 PM.
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Yep. That bad run back then had reasons and rhyme. There was a clear lack of squad strengthening.
Right now whatever those reasons are it's obvious that Klopp was never backed to the tune of a few hundred million post title win. We've got top class players in that starting 11, some are experienced stalwarts who know what hard work is. Have they taken the chance to kick back after years of solid graft?
If ( and I'm not for one second advocating Slot losing his job here) FSG went back for Klopp at some point it would be just desserts if he told them to fuck off. Although I'm certain he'd come back in a heartbeat if the opportunity arises.
Rowdy Yates
Would be a crying shame if he had to come back to save the legacy - that all but ruined his health to build.
And it often doesn't end well.
Have to hope that Slot can make something of this group.. plenty of quality in there but we have lost so much too, and IF that mentality of believers that Klopp created is broken.. I'm not sure it matters. IMO and I have stated this many many times...with this model - we cannot compete with many other clubs without a Jurgen Klopp.
Last edited by Steveo; 26th October 2025 at 02:30 PM.
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Not going to be so easy to attract the players we want now we look such a total shambles
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