Match Thread Liverpool V Sunderland.

[Steveo]

I think he's hearing a voice like "false one that Steveo a tricksy one". ;-)

Spot on… 😜

[Steveo]

but it’s deeper - the geezer is a 22 carat shill. Never wanted to credit Klopp for all the plate spinning always the first to support the Season ticket price hiking / - ESL loving profiteers who stiffed Jurgen for years.

[JockStrap]

If we're saying that the only way we can be successful is to have a Jurgen Klopp like manager then we may as well pack up and all go home. There haven't been and aren't many Jurgen Klopps in world football so we're probably going to be struggling to find another one.

We won a small trophy last season without Klopp.

[CCTV]

but it’s deeper - the geezer is a 22 carat shill. Never wanted to credit Klopp for all the plate spinning always the first to support the Season ticket price hiking / - ESL loving profiteers who stiffed Jurgen for years.

I've defended Klopp from your ArtetaFamTV posts.
I've defended Klopp from your Poch-cfc assertions.
I've defended Klopp from your spurs assertions.

I've critiqued citaues cheating which you marginalise at every turn. And you jump on criticism of cituae with accusations of Islamophobia you big islamophile.

Ive defended Klopp from your assertions he ran players in to the ground.

The ESL was a better format for football than this joke of a competition we have now.

I've consistently called for games to be freeview. Given figures for revenue with freeview football.

And I've critiqued how matchday ticket prices have increased in line with broadcast revenue.

Ive defended Klopps outlook on football against yours and g.nevs outlook.

https://tomkinstimes.com/2015/11/klopp-reversing-the-laws-of-gravity/

[Steveo]

Why would anyone need to defend Klopp from my assertions... when I am overwhelmingly Klopp's biggest fan...?

This is common knowledge on this forum too.. so much so I have been continually told off for citing his miracle worker status. So CCTV instead of being Henry's GIMP try and stick to reality and avoid your own illusions (being kind) or deliberate subversion of truth.

Cities cheating is a direct result of everything I have described as wrong with the modern game. The Islamophobia you refer to is simply revealed by so many useful idiots lack of ability to join the dots. Gulf petrodollar states can be here and act with near impunity to FACILITATE the US takeover of the league. Something you cannot be too obtuse to have noticed in parallel. Trojan horse

In summary:
I am saying US owners aren't the "good guys" saving football from the "bad states." They have bought up almost the entire league...They are business partners. US owners provide the Western-friendly face to bypass regulation, and the Gulf states provide the capital liquidity. It is a symbiotic relationship, not a rivalry.

As for the ESL... that's for someone who has - to date - never seen a ball kicked in anger at the home ground of the team he professes to "support" to defend.. Fill your boots..


CCTV you have consistently tried to blur the lines on any debate - which is why you are a waste of time.

Go polish the GIMP suit

[CCTV]

You refused the validity of the term Irish race, and said in English it had no meaning.

I gave you a direct quote from Churchill using the exact term, and you refused it still.

As said you have no integrity, no substance.

You can be shown to be wrong, and refuse to accept it.

I see gimp, gimp suit, and fsg fan boi, it is, as you have no integrity, or substance, just a list of smears and lies

[Steveo]

It has no meaning at all you GIMP:

2 things…

1. Churchill came from an era of 'Scientific Racism' and Imperialism. In that time, the British elite frequently referred to the Irish as a separate 'race' (Celts) to distinguish them from the 'superior' Anglo-Saxons. It was a political tool used to justify colonization and the idea that the Irish needed 'civilizing.' Just because they called it a race back then doesn't make it a biological fact today. They also used to measure skull shapes (phrenology) to prove intelligence—are you going to bring that back too?

2. The Reality: The Irish are an Ethnicity (shared culture, history, language), not a Race. Biologically, they fall under the same broad racial category as the British. There is no distinct 'Irish gene' that separates them as a subspecies from the rest of Northern Europe.

Using 100-year-old rhetoric to argue against modern science is desperate. The Irish were racialized by people like Churchill for political control, but that doesn't mean they are a race. Try reading a biology textbook from this century."

Disconnect the internet for heavens sake.

[CCTV]

It has no meaning at all you GIMP:

2 things…

1. Churchill came from an era of 'Scientific Racism' and Imperialism. In that time, the British elite frequently referred to the Irish as a separate 'race' (Celts) to distinguish them from the 'superior' Anglo-Saxons. It was a political tool used to justify colonization and the idea that the Irish needed 'civilizing.' Just because they called it a race back then doesn't make it a biological fact today. They also used to measure skull shapes (phrenology) to prove intelligence—are you going to bring that back too?

2. The Reality: The Irish are an Ethnicity (shared culture, history, language), not a Race. Biologically, they fall under the same broad racial category as the British. There is no distinct 'Irish gene' that separates them as a subspecies from the rest of Northern Europe.

Using 100-year-old rhetoric to argue against modern science is desperate. The Irish were racialized by people like Churchill for political control, but that doesn't mean they are a race. Try reading a biology textbook from this century."

Disconnect the internet for heavens sake.

Oh dear. You dont seem to know your biology at all.

There is no race genome.

Racial groups are distinct on the biological level by the occurrence of genetic clusters.

At the biological level Irish and English people are distinct. You can tell them apart by the occurrence of genetic clusters. And this manifests in variations of predispositions to certain conditions.

You & CD both stated that justme use of german race was wrong. Ye both knew exactly what he meant, and both refused Churchills use of the term in English. Having said it only mattered what was in the English language, not in other cultures or languages.

Science studies the world. Classification is a philosophical matter. In other languages skin colour is not a category of distinction.

[CCTV]

Its funny how Irish people became white when the eugencits of western Europe moved to their new eugenics disaster.

[Steveo]

The absolute state of this post. You’ve had a nightmare here.

1. "Clusters" aren't Race, you melt. You’re waffling. Just because you can find "genetic clusters" doesn't mean they are different races. You can find genetic clusters distinguishing someone from Liverpool and someone from Manchester if you zoom in enough. Does that make Scousers a different biological race to Mancs? Give your head a wobble. It’s called ancestry/population structure, not race.

2. The English vs. Irish bit You're acting like they're different species. The genetic overlap is massive. It’s a gradient, not a hard border. Trying to claim they are "biologically distinct races" because of tiny differences in frequency is clutching at straws. The variation within England is bigger than the difference between England and Ireland.

3. The Churchill tactic This is a massive own goal. Quoting a politician from the 1940s to explain 2024 DNA science? Serious? He used "race" to mean "nationality" because that's how people spoke 80 years ago. He wasn't a geneticist. Using him to define biology today is like using a 1920s map to navigate London.

Science didn't drop race because of "philosophy," it dropped it because the data proved it was a rubbish, inaccurate way to categorise humans.

Disconnect before it's too late..