Roundtable - Slot, Hughes, Hogan

[Nineteenx]

Style of play has been an even greater issue that formation we need that 3 up when attacking abd to attack quickly as we’ve always looked well short of forwards in the box and in the 4231 tappy crappy and struggled to create as a result

I was spot on about that style of play never working in a million years, it failed played much better under Guardiola in 19-20 and was ditched thereafter

Now there are more teams even better in the press and counter press and at countering and being direct it’s a categoric non starter

[RedMagic]

Rather than evolving and progressing, we seem to be reverting back to being a team that lacks intensity, dynamism, creativity, is one paced, lacks a coherent and effective way of playing, lacks fight, and one that plays slow, onepaced sideways and backwards passing football. We also seem to be reverting back to a time when we were overly reliant on one of our star players coming up with the goods to get us out of jail.

We have been successful playing quick pass and move, intense, dynamic football, whilst also having a lot of fight and spirit in the team. Are we going to get Klopp back or find someone with the same skillset and motivational acumen that gave us those things? Unlikely. But is it too much to expect or ask for someone who can can inject a few of our previously positive attributes back into the team? I don't think it is.

[JockStrap]

Im led to believe (i might be wrong,it might be obvious to everyone else anyway) that Hughes alone is the one to decide if Slot goes or sees out his contract/extends. Ditto Edwards with Hughes. Maybe no decisions will be taken until after the summer xfer window and the evolution from Klopps squad continues.

If you posted your source then maybe we could determine whether it's legit or not. Unfortunately most people spreading clickbait don't want to reveal where they got it. So until something useful is posted we'll assume it's BS.

[jozza800]

If we don’t make Champions League they all have to go

I don’t like non football ppl like Hughes being able to back a plan like Slot’s, a guy sanctioning that should thoroughly understand how those changes can effect the club the players and results and know relevant history of how wrong it can go

We’ve only been good in any game this season when we’ve played as we have for 10 years

Hughes played International football and has been doing the job he's doing now for a good number of years. Not sure you can say he's a non-football person...

[Rusty Shackleford]

Not sure if anyone remembers, but Hughes once scored the winner for Pompey v Liverpool in the FA Cup. Definitely not a non-football person.

[JockStrap]

but I think it's clear there is a hierarchy that sits between the money and the coach.. I don't like it. I don't believe Klopp would ever accept the job inside that setup.

Jurgen Klopp has offered an insight into how Liverpool's famous transfer committee go about selecting and buying their targets.

Since the boss' arrival at Anfield in 2015, Liverpool's recruitment has been widely praised for its efficiency and accuracy, with key signings like Mohamed Salah, Virgil van Dijk and, most recently, Luis Diaz all having immediate impacts.

There aren't many other top clubs in world football who can boast the same success rate in the transfer market as Liverpool, and Klopp put that down to the collaborative effort of the Anfield transfer committee.

“From the first press conference, you asked about the transfer committee. I really thought ‘What’s the problem with the transfer committee?’,” he said. “I just had to understand the word because for me it is always a transfer committee, it’s not the official name for it but we just sit a few smart people together and talk and say ‘Can we do it or not do it?’.

“One says ‘the money is too much’, the other says other information about his character, another says ‘Forget all this, I want him because he is so good’.

“That is what I understand was the transfer committee. Yes, we have to be more economical because we don’t have endless resources (but) the players wanted we didn’t always get for different reasons.

“Sometimes money was the reason but then we thought ‘No, we don’t want to do it’, and not ‘we cannot do it’. The main thing is you think: Will the player fit? Will the player help us? Will he help us to make the next step?

“It doesn’t always work out but sometimes it does and then the player can have an impact and that is what we try to do and will still.”

Once Liverpool eventually settle on their preferred target, Klopp praised the club's ability to get deals done quickly.

“I cannot remember that we struggled to get players in that we wanted to get in,” he continued. “Phil [Coutinho] was the last one (Liverpool lost against their wishes) probably but that always can happen.

“I know from outside it is always ‘Sign him, sign him, sign him’ but we were always there slightly different, we tried it a different way signing players obviously.

“I can’t remember the last time we struggled talking to a player: that doesn’t mean they all come but it wasn’t that we were not sexy enough or shiny enough.”

[Steveo]

All the above does is highlight the point.

Klopp speaks of we and us…He defined the culture. Slot looks like a graduate or junior partner as he emphasises "synergy" and "advice."

Klopp used the committee as a tool. But the current setup now is using Slot as a component. Klopp was a force of nature that the F$G structure had to twist and bend around. The new setup…at least as it appears in that PR-heavy video - is designed to be Klopp proof…a corporate franchise model where the Head Coach is a replaceable component, but the Sporting Director/Data system remains immortal.

That’s exactly what Shankly feared…the ‘suits’ the fella that sign the cheques - becoming more important than the man in the dugout.

No surprise Austin powers wasn’t there - ‘CEO football’ indeed - what a farce

[JockStrap]

First you said Klopp would never accept the job under that setup. But he obviously did accept the job and was very happy to work with a transfer committee as my previous post proves.

Then you switch to but he used it as a tool. Same could be said for Arne.

The setup won us the league though, didn't it? Both with Klopp and Slot.

[Steveo]

Oh dear…

Klopp would never accept that setup nor did he operate under one even remotely similar. This is well documented and only a shill posing as a Liverpool fan would even attempt to suggest otherwise.

Not only did Klopp not "accept" that setup... he smashed it. When he arrived in 2015, that transfer committee was a joke that nearly ruined the club under Rodgers. Klopp didn't join it…he became THE BOSS of it. While by his own admission during the height of his reign he didn't have "the last say" on transfers, the man was more than instrumental. By the time he left, he was so powerful that the directors were literally leaving because they couldn't keep up with him. He was a MANAGER in the true sense of the word. He made the decisions, he picked the players, and he finally forced the owners to back his gut feeling (not always correct) - even when the data anal-analysts disagreed.

And don’t give me that "setup won the league" shyte about last season. Last season was won by the Klopp era. Anyone wants to even try and deny that is a fool. The players who lifted that trophy were bought by Jurgen, coached for years by Jurgen, and played with the fire Jurgen put in their bellies. Slot was wise enough (he had no choice) to leave mostly well alone - make a few subtle tweaks (which helped early on) and hold the clipboard when they crossed the finish line.

You think Ekitike, Wirtz and Isak are just "components"? They were bought with the massive pile of cash Klopp built up by turning a "sleeping giant" into a money-making machine. Money he was so often denied the full use of.


Slot is a Head Coach, not a Manager. He’s sitting there in a cringe PR video talking about "synergy" and "domain" like he’s terrified of stepping on a suit’s toes. Klopp wouldn't have been at that table because Klopp wouldn't have needed a CEO and a Sporting Director to explain his "strategic vision" to the fans. He was the vision.

Shankly built this club on the idea that the man in the dugout is the king. F$G have turned it into a US-style franchise where the "system" is the star and the coach is replaceable. You’re cheering for the spreadsheet….I’m cheering for the soul of the club. If you can't see the difference between a leader like Klopp and a "yes man" like Slot, then you've forgotten what Liverpool is all about. But then – you aren’t a Liverpool fan.


The "Holy Trinity" is dead, and you're the one holding the shovel.
The video below shows the exact moment the club officially demoted the role from "Manager" to "Head Coach," marking the end of the era you're trying to defend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcyocnsMlcg

This video is the exact "Reds Roundtable" you’re talking about, where the power shift from the dugout to the boardroom is laid bare for everyone to see.

[Steveo]

What a difference - a year makes....��




MANAGER...


And everything we have won since he arrived in 2015... EVERYTHING belongs more to this man than ANYONE..

Shame on those who try to use the 'credit' which Slot does deserve BTW - to detract from this clear and obvious reality.