Florian Wirtz

[CCTV]

So long as he's playing well for Germany Wirtz's value won't drop by much if at all. With that being case it might be worth at least giving him a bit more time under a new manager to see what he's capable of.

1st season at a new club.

1st season in a new league.

A shocking season for LFC.

Goals or Assists per minute on par with those already used to the league.

And hes shown more mental strength in his 1st season than many of the senior leaders in our squad.

[CCTV]

By Goals & Assists per minute....

I showed Suarez, Rush & Salah are all better attackers than Gakpo & Diaz.
By this metric Gakpo was ahead of Diaz.

You proposed that win ratio was more important than Goals and assists per minute....
This leads to Diaz being a better attacker than Gakpo, and Rush, Suarez & Salah.

Think those inferences show my metric is the better metric in judging an attackers quality.

Your argument and metric suggests Diaz is a better attacker than Gakpo, Suarez, Salah & Rush.

My method shows Suarez, Salah & Rush are better attackers than both Gakpo & Diaz.

Yet you laugh at my proposal

And just in case Steveo misses this reply

[Steveo]

😂

What is this absolute nonsense about 'my method' vs 'your method'? This isn't a lab experiment - it’s football.

You’re hiding behind contrived metrics because they’re the only way to support your bizarre Gakpo agenda. To suggest that a team win ratio I made about the same players in the same team - makes Luis Díaz a 'better attacker' than Suárez, Salah, or Rush is genuinely embarrassing. It’s the hallmark of someone who spends more time looking at columns on a screen than actually watching the game.

Only someone who has never set foot in Anfield would try to compare win ratios across different eras. Comparing a Rodgers side to a Klopp side using that metric is statistically illiterate—one team was a transitional work-in-progress, the other was a refined winning machine.

The 'eye test' isn't just a phrase…it’s how you actually judge an attacker's quality, movement, and individual brilliance. Suárez is streets ahead of everyone on that list, and you don't need a proprietary method to see it.

You’re tying yourself in knots trying to backtrack on your Gakpo claims. Give it a rest and actually watch a match for once.

[miller0863]

I have been going to Anfield since the 70/71 season. I have eyes. I don’t need “metrics” to give me an opinion on a player when I have watched every single minute he has played for my club.

[jinky]

Rush. My personal number 1 player of all time. First line of defence and he could score too.

[justme]

We have never succeeded with a number 10. Firmino was classed as a false 9 , Still meant we had 3 midfielders behind him

I can understand we wanted someone to break down deep defenders. so had a tricky player in there. But the thing is.. you can't get away with it if the ball breaks off.. you're short in midfield by one.
You can't get your full backs forward like you'd want too. because the extra midfielder can't cover that side.

Teams will also sit deep against us. But i'd rather we had a bit more protection in midfield and be more patient.. Try not to concede as many goals. we have let in 42 goals already.. thats 10 to many in my book. we would have at least 10 more points
with a better defensive play.. The last minute goal against Fulham springs to mind. and others.

[CCTV]

😂

What is this absolute nonsense about 'my method' vs 'your method'? This isn't a lab experiment - it’s football.

You’re hiding behind contrived metrics because they’re the only way to support your bizarre Gakpo agenda. To suggest that a team win ratio I made about the same players in the same team - makes Luis Díaz a 'better attacker' than Suárez, Salah, or Rush is genuinely embarrassing. It’s the hallmark of someone who spends more time looking at columns on a screen than actually watching the game.

Only someone who has never set foot in Anfield would try to compare win ratios across different eras. Comparing a Rodgers side to a Klopp side using that metric is statistically illiterate—one team was a transitional work-in-progress, the other was a refined winning machine.

The 'eye test' isn't just a phrase…it’s how you actually judge an attacker's quality, movement, and individual brilliance. Suárez is streets ahead of everyone on that list, and you don't need a proprietary method to see it.

You’re tying yourself in knots trying to backtrack on your Gakpo claims. Give it a rest and actually watch a match for once.

I have been going to Anfield since the 70/71 season. I have eyes. I don’t need “metrics” to give me an opinion on a player when I have watched every single minute he has played for my club.

Echo The Anfield Front

Goals or Assists per minute are a better metric than your then proposed win ratio Steveo.
And they show a level from Wirtz comparable with Foden, Eze, Rogers, Sobozla & Palmer in this thread.


On the stats that time, ignoring all other factors, positions, eras, sides played in, and just 2 stats.....

We have

My goals or assists per minute stats

Goals or Assists per minute at LFC

1) Salah 94.2 minutes

2) Suarez 100.2 minutes

3) Rush 125.9 minutes

4) Gakpo 150.2 minutes

5) Diaz 156.3 minutes


CCTVs stat driven front 3 for LFC

Suarez Rush Salah


Or


Your then proposed better metric... player win ratios

Win ratio at LFC

1) Diaz 67.57%

2) Salah 63.24%

3) Gakpo*59.2%

4) Rush*54.7%

5) Suarez 50.38%


Steveos stat driven front 3 for LFC

Gakpo Diaz Salah


One can use one's eyes to decide which metric is the better measure

And in case you need to go to specsavers, it's
Suarez Rush Salah


And looking at the Klopp era ONLY

Win ratio suggests Diaz is better than Salah, in the same manner it suggests Diaz is better than Gakpo.

Whereas goals and assists say Salah is miles better than both.


If Gakpo plays another five 90 minute matches this season,
and doesn't score or assist in those 5 games he'd drop below Diaz at LFC on my metric.

If Salah plays the six remaining 90 minute games this season
and gets no goals or assists in those 6 games then his level would drop to.....

Per 95.6 minutes & still miles better than both Gakpo & Diaz