CL semi final PSG v Bayern

[Steveo]

I'm not a Slot apologist. But you're not watching close enough if you think hardly anything was different tactically last season.

As you say we've transitioned into whatever the holy fuck it is he's trying to do this season. But it isn't what we were playing last season and neither were we just continuing with Kloppball.

We ran out of steam last season due to Slot not willing to give the backup players a run out, despite Klopp using a lot of them to great effect by giving us a title challenge and a cup.

Slot isn't what we hoped he was, but it wasnt the ghost of Klopp that won the title last season. Both can be true.

I watch plenty pitch-side across both seasons .. and saw enough games to know what I am talking about.

Jozza... you’re reaching... there was no tactical revolution - just a conservative recalibration. You admit he refused to use the squad... which is exactly why the intensity waned as the season went on. He didn't build a new engine or re configure the old one - he just stopped red-lining the one Klopp left him. It worked in a season with no rivals in sight - no expectation at all and almost no injuries - all for 2 extra points.

Even the stats show we still scored the vast majority of our goals in the 15-second 'Klopp transition' window. Aside from the fact that Trent was asked to focus on being a more traditional full-back.. it was Klopp's team running on Klopp's muscle memory. Most of us know this.. People can contrive whatever they like and spin things as they wish but it doesn't change the facts.

[Steveo]

Soft pen blasted in by Gyokeres gives Arsenal the lead in Madrid just before half time.

They are going to win both aren't they.. The jammy wankers

[Creator Supremes]

They are going to win both aren't they.. The jammy wankers

All falling into place with them. City having to play 4 games in 11 days shortly. Something they never had to do in the seasons we finished a point behind in the title race.

[redebreck]

Two "soft" penalties given tonight.
1-1 so may be advantage Arsenal next week. I'm looking forward to both games - as long as Arsenal don't get through to the final.

[CCTV]

Haha here’s the shill trying his best


. it’s a massive revision of history to suggest the wheels only came off for them after Christmas. The reality is that Arsenal were a walking hospital ward from the very first month- and it stayed that way for the duration. People have short memories but they were top of the "injury table" long before the festive period even kicked in... we’re talking nearly double the amount of fitness setbacks compared to what Slot was dealing with.

You had Oodegard - the literal heartbeat of that side- missing huge chunks of the early season with knee and shoulder issues... and Havertz went down as early as August and struggled for months to get back to 100%. By November - Ben White was already forced into surgery after trying to play through the pain- while Saka and Gabriel were basically being held together by tape and injections just to get them onto the pitch.

The contrast is night and day - Slot was cruising with one of the healthiest squads in the league... while Arteta was missing six or seven first-teamers every single week from matchday one. The only reason people point to the post-Christmas period is because that’s when the cumulative fatigue finally broke them - but the damage was done in September and October while they were fighting an uphill battle. It’s easy to look like a tactical genius when you can pick your best 11 every Saturday... but Arsenal were operating at a massive disadvantage all year while Slot was gifted a perfectly healthy machine.

Arsenal are unlikely to better our tally from last season and they've had the fully fit squad his season.

Slot did take over a really good side, but it's daft to think he's just told them to 'have at it' and carry on from Jurgen...

Last season's set up was as different from Jurgen's set up as this year's set up is from last season. There was so much different from Jurgen's set up, the only thing that remained the same was the players and formation. Last season's effort was made to sound like the lads won the League on their own.

Slot has made an absolute pig's ear of this season and I absolutely think he should go at the end of the season, but to suggest he just coasted through last season is ingenious.

You say it’s 'daft' to think Slot coasted... but he inherited a squad that finished on 82 points in its first season as Klopp 2.0. And - crucially - he had them available to play. Arsenal took 89 points the year before... but you can’t maintain that level when your backline (White, Tomiyasu, Calafiori, Timber) misses a combined 450+ days.

The 'pudding' isn't just the points - it’s the availability. Flip those injury tables... give Slot 1,300 days of injuries and give Arteta a fully fit squad - and the table looks completely different. You’re ignoring the very 'context' you’re claiming to see.

If you want to compare Arsenal last season to us this time out - compare the points we take at the end of this one to theirs. I think you will find with hundreds of millions spent and fewer injuries we still take less.



This is not true either.. Not even close to true. very subtle tweak to the system which before Christmas 2024 looked great - perhaps close to perfection even... BUT was simply the start of the transition to this garbage..

There really is no place the Slot apologist can go. They refuse to accept that last season had far far less to do with him than with Jurgen... THIS is the daftest of all stances anyone could take.

I'm not a Slot apologist. But you're not watching close enough if you think hardly anything was different tactically last season.

As you say we've transitioned into whatever the holy fuck it is he's trying to do this season. But it isn't what we were playing last season and neither were we just continuing with Kloppball.

We ran out of steam last season due to Slot not willing to give the backup players a run out, despite Klopp using a lot of them to great effect by giving us a title challenge and a cup.

Slot isn't what we hoped he was, but it wasnt the ghost of Klopp that won the title last season. Both can be true.

I watch plenty pitch-side across both seasons .. and saw enough games to know what I am talking about.

Jozza... you’re reaching... there was no tactical revolution - just a conservative recalibration. You admit he refused to use the squad... which is exactly why the intensity waned as the season went on. He didn't build a new engine or re configure the old one - he just stopped red-lining the one Klopp left him. It worked in a season with no rivals in sight - no expectation at all and almost no injuries - all for 2 extra points.

Even the stats show we still scored the vast majority of our goals in the 15-second 'Klopp transition' window. Aside from the fact that Trent was asked to focus on being a more traditional full-back.. it was Klopp's team running on Klopp's muscle memory. Most of us know this.. People can contrive whatever they like and spin things as they wish but it doesn't change the facts.

Steveo in preseason 2024 and start of the season you were on about Slots immediate impact on playing style, dare you say it a more complete form of the game than Klopps....

You also slated the squad and pointed to it as the reason Klopp walked early. Blaming FSG for the squad left to Slot.

You think Klopp walked cause he spent way more net in his last 4 years than his first 4 years... fascinating profile of Klopp.

When Slot won the league, robbing your boy Arteta, you lost your shit.

All of a sudden it was Klopps great squad, which it was, but you'd blamed fsg for it at the start of the season.

No integrity, no substance.

[Steveo]

I watch plenty pitch-side across both seasons .. and saw enough games to know what I am talking about.

Jozza... you’re reaching... there was no tactical revolution - just a conservative recalibration. You admit he refused to use the squad... which is exactly why the intensity waned as the season went on. He didn't build a new engine or re configure the old one - he just stopped red-lining the one Klopp left him. It worked in a season with no rivals in sight - no expectation at all and almost no injuries - all for 2 extra points.

Even the stats show we still scored the vast majority of our goals in the 15-second 'Klopp transition' window. Aside from the fact that Trent was asked to focus on being a more traditional full-back.. it was Klopp's team running on Klopp's muscle memory. Most of us know this.. People can contrive whatever they like and spin things as they wish but it doesn't change the facts.

Was it this that triggered the shill?