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[Ravo19]

How can slot still be manager?
Should have been sacked in december and on the back of loads of bad performances since.
I hope fsg have someone in mind in the summer,i cant think about slot still being in charge next season.

[Steveo]

Bobby was a beautiful footballer but it took Klopp to fit his particular skill set into the jigsaw.
If he hadn’t had Klopp as a manager he may well have gone on to have the very average career that was looking more likely before the great man arrived.

Is correct - and goes for many of that squad,

[CCTV]

Myself, Noods & Klopp all knew how good Bobby was based on his time at Hoffenheim.

A player arriving to a new club, in a new country with a less than spectacular morale at the club under Rodgers, who signed off on Bobby so long as BR got his man Benteke, struggled to settle a little, shocker.
LFC 10th in the league when BR wad sacked.

Salah arrived with better goals and assist stats than each of our then front 3 over the previous 2 seasons.
I had predicted he would outperform each of our then front 3 for goals & assists, and he delivered.


Using the history of cituaes PL sides on whoscored you get a most used 11 for each PL season.

Since Pep arrived at Cituae here are the most used left backs & left wing forwards each season over his PL seasons.

Clichy, Zinchenko, Mendy, Delph, Cancelo & Gvardiol.

Doku, Grealish, Sterling, Sane.

Robbo & Mane bomb each and everyone of those players to the bench.

I'd pick Sane LWF & Mahrez RWF as the scariest cituae opponents in each position.
And again, neither are keeping Salah & Mane out.

Bobby had already ripped it up in the BL before arriving at LFC, Klopp impressed we landed him that summer before Klopp arrived.

Bobby had already made his debut for Brazil & Played 11 games for them at Centre-Forward before Klopp arrived at LFC.

In 13/14 he was in the BL whoscored team of the season, Hoffenheim finished 9th.
Robben Lewandoswki Firmino Ribery

In 14/15 he was in the BL whoscored team of the season, Hoffenheim finished 8th and he left for a club record fee.
Robben Firmino KdB C.Moting

In 15/16 they finished 15th.
In 15/16 Matip finished in the whoscored BL team of the season.

[fiordearg]

Every time a negative stat is rolled out Rodgers last full season is referenced. Rodgers lasted til October and we were blessed to get Jürgen. We can't countenance being lucky again

[Steveo]

Yep....Timo Werner had an amazing record in Germany FAR FAR superior to Firmino's... How did that work out for him?

Werner wasn't just "good" for the data ANAL'ists - he was a statistical juggernaut. In his final season at Leipzig (2019/20), he scored 28 goals in 34 league games.

How did it translate in the Premier League...? Yep - we all know.. but let's sweep that under the carpet.

So....Bobby Firmino who became one of the very best for a time here .... had slow start...and a grand total of 1 goal to his name by January 2016. 24 games ....1 goal.. Questionable.. Finished the season well though. Something changed... what could it have been John Henry's Underpants?


Again - for those who would try and tell you day was night - this was penned on the 8th of March 2016...:

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37442670/roberto-firmino-dispelling-doubts-liverpool

Writing about football, particularly making early judgements on players, can be a precarious business.

As an ordinary fan, you can sit calmly, reflect upon the numerous previous talents that took a while to flourish and withhold criticism until such time as it becomes blatantly obvious that player isn't going to make it.

In the case of Liverpool's Roberto Firmino, the turnaround in his form has certainly left this writer swivelling on a hook of his own making.

Back in December 2015, the young Brazilian was utterly wretched against a dominant Watford side that had every right to view a 3-0 win over the Reds as insufficient reward for their overall performance given how poor Liverpool were.


Some low-light ratings for Bobby in the first half of his first season as that "questionable" goal scoring record of 1 in 24 games also showed...

West Ham (H) - Aug 29 Premier League 4/10
Off the pace, struggled with the physicality, and was subbed off as Liverpool lost 3–0.

Man Utd (A) - Sept 12 Premier League 5/10
Largely anonymous and failed to track back, leading to a 3–1 defeat.

Sion (H) - Oct 1 Europa League 5/10
Looked rusty and lacked his usual creative spark in a dull 1–1 draw.

Newcastle (A) - Dec 6 Premier League 4/10
Looked lethargic and offered zero goal threat as Liverpool lost 2–0.

Watford (A) - Dec 20 Premier League 3/10
Bullied by the Watford defence and offered no movement in a 3–0 loss.



Does this sound like the player that became the "best in the world"..?

Nope.... and we know why and how that transformation took place... regardless of what a shill would try to suggest.

[CCTV]

Yep....Timo Werner had an amazing record in Germany FAR FAR superior to Firmino's... How did that work out for him?

Werner wasn't just "good" for the data ANAL'ists - he was a statistical juggernaut. In his final season at Leipzig (2019/20), he scored 28 goals in 34 league games.

How did it translate in the Premier League...? Yep - we all know.. but let's sweep that under the carpet.

So....Bobby Firmino who became one of the very best for a time here .... had slow start...and a grand total of 1 goal to his name by January 2016. 24 games ....1 goal.. Questionable.. Finished the season well though. Something changed... what could it have been John Henry's Underpants?


Again - for those who would try and tell you day was night - this was penned on the 8th of March 2016...:

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37442670/roberto-firmino-dispelling-doubts-liverpool

Writing about football, particularly making early judgements on players, can be a precarious business.

As an ordinary fan, you can sit calmly, reflect upon the numerous previous talents that took a while to flourish and withhold criticism until such time as it becomes blatantly obvious that player isn't going to make it.

In the case of Liverpool's Roberto Firmino, the turnaround in his form has certainly left this writer swivelling on a hook of his own making.

Back in December 2015, the young Brazilian was utterly wretched against a dominant Watford side that had every right to view a 3-0 win over the Reds as insufficient reward for their overall performance given how poor Liverpool were.


Some low-light ratings for Bobby in the first half of his first season as that "questionable" goal scoring record of 1 in 24 games also showed...

West Ham (H) - Aug 29 Premier League 4/10
Off the pace, struggled with the physicality, and was subbed off as Liverpool lost 3–0.

Man Utd (A) - Sept 12 Premier League 5/10
Largely anonymous and failed to track back, leading to a 3–1 defeat.

Sion (H) - Oct 1 Europa League 5/10
Looked rusty and lacked his usual creative spark in a dull 1–1 draw.

Newcastle (A) - Dec 6 Premier League 4/10
Looked lethargic and offered zero goal threat as Liverpool lost 2–0.

Watford (A) - Dec 20 Premier League 3/10
Bullied by the Watford defence and offered no movement in a 3–0 loss.



Does this sound like the player that became the "best in the world"..?

Nope.... and we know why and how that transformation took place... regardless of what a shill would try to suggest.

Only you can provide a link that shows how stoopid you are

Timo Werner did not make the whoscored BL team of the season twice.

He was not a Brazilian international.

Leipzig finished 3rd in Werners last 2 seasons.

They finished 2nd the year after he left.

[Steveo]

Clearly


Timo Werner 222 91 0.41
Roberto Firmino 140 38 0.27

And no he wasn't a Brazilian international - not that that has ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT he was the first name on the German Team Sheet tho...!

Remember them their 2015 team Beat Brazil 7:1 - in Brazil..


YOu really are too much CCTV... God help you lad..

Brings the Bundesliga stats into a chat about Bobby Firmino's transformation under Klopp. From 1 goal in 24 and some awful - awful games in 2015... "to the most unique false nine the world has ever seen - the heartbeat of the team who defended like a beast and assisted like a magician."

[jozza800]

Not playing Bobby as a winger certainly helped! Bobby was a lovely player but anyone could see he didn't have the pace to play on the wing.

Like a certain German we have at the moment...

One of the best things I liked about Jurgen was he didn't try to be too clever. Very square pegs in very square holes.

He's said himself he wasn't the best tactically but he knew how to balance a team. He understood space creation and denial. Something that Slot apparently does not.

[Steveo]

Yep... It is a simple game.. Always was. But not many can keep it there - and almost nobody ever could transform a player the way Jurgen did.

[CCTV]

Writing about football, particularly making early judgements on players, can be a precarious business.

The very thing you are doing, pulled from the article you provided

Bobby in the whoscored team of the season twice before he left.
Had his international debut before joining LFC.

Neither Firmino or Werner involved in the 7-1 game.

But generally speaking people would take a Brazilian 9 over a German.

Anyway, I've shown you the left backs and left wing forwards Pep picked in his cituae side.

And I've shown how pep picks 5 of Klopps players in his best 11 from both squads.
Maybe 6 with Trent.

In contrast, you've not mentioned Mane or Robbo at all,
and are unsure if Pep picks Salah over Bastardo at RWF

As time has shown, anyone making early negative judgements on Firmino were wrong.