The Shill Effect

[miller0863]

And nothing to do with Brendan and his envelopes. There were three of you on the permanent wind up, now there is one.

[justincredible]

Flames only burn when they're being fanned...

[CCTV]

miller0863 said:22nd January 2026 06:57 PM
2003.

Looked around for LFC forums and landed here.

It was a really good crowd back in the day.
I remember pretty much everyone who’s been mentioned.
There was Nigel (N4C) the stats man.

I also remember Ducatiboy and Mo posting a vid of the two of them performing a Dirk Kuyt song, absolute classic.

I’ve been posting less of late as it has been a lot less enjoyable.
I don’t mind a debate, I enjoy a good reasoned argument of differing opinions but it’s gone beyond that.

Three people on here just cannot stand someone having a different opinion. They don’t argue their point they just wade in with insults, trying to belittle whoever thinks differently to them, then taking great delight in trolling the other person for weeks if they think they have been proven right.

Just get over yourselves ffs you are just another average Jo on a forum expressing an opinion.
And you find they are usually the “Uber Fan” type who think never EVER criticising a current player, the manager or the owners makes you a better fan.

Jeez it makes me nauseous.

The worst of the lot just goes round every thread just laying into anyone and everyone who does follow the Uber way. What an absolute wanker.

Looked on here the other day and the last post on the top 10 Threads were all him talking absolute bollocks. I just left, I have no interest in reading anything it has to say. No substance to anything just constant shilling.

Really is like a virus has infiltrated the Forum

I think you cower behind vagueness. After all we have never seen you post the name of your 3rd person. A few saw this for what it was, and you can see Steveo posting similarly in his shill thread.

The fact you haven't been banned for such sick behaviour shows the total sham of how this board is moderated.

Funny how 2 of your 3 got banned not long after your post above, where you certainly didnt try and get posters banned, but chuckle about them getting banned thereafter. 1 survived, 2 didnt lolza

No Steveo and you have way more patience than I, in responding to the constant flow of utter nonsense

As said, if you had integrity you'd have put Steveo in there on the definition.

Indeed. Until recently this was different. No keyboard warriors, few “Uber Fans” refusing to ever say a negative word about anything LFC related (never been near the ground in their lives) and calling out anything who does.

Believing that supporting the club means only EVER writing positives on a Forum however deluded, is really THE most nauseating trait for anyone pretending to support Liverpool football club, just to show what a super duper wuper fan they really are.

Obviously don’t have a competitive bone in their body and never played any sport in their lives, having turned up to every single PE lesson with a note from Mummy about his hurty in growing toenails.

Quite the opposite Kev, I do not think and have never intimidated I rule anything.

I contribute and listen to other opinions, I don’t just wade in with foul mouthed abuse because I’m pissed or had a bad day at work, both of which have been repeatedly tolerated by all on here.

Just look at your first post on this thread. Jesus wept Kev have a word with yourself lad. Ever since you started dating Joke Strap your outbursts have gone off the scale.

And as for being tolerant of other’s opinions, give me a break will ye.

That is precisely the point I was making, you are absolutely NOT tolerant of opposing opinions to your own. Your first option these days is to just insult anyone with a differing opinion.

Try reading back some of the stuff you post and then point out the bits were you were being tolerant.

Kev0 posting about me going to fight and die in the Ukraine war for Russia, to save my family the burden of me, wasn't an issue. Your problem with Kev0 started when he stepped out of line. You'd no problem with the language for years. Until it came your way from Kev0. Then it was unacceptable.

You also used a passive aggressive BR trick to get what you want, and offered clemency to Steveo & 19. Sadly the brenvelope/negging technique worked on those 2, and Kev0 & Jocky got banned. Even jocky pointed out to you how the thread was mostly positive bar your 3 brenvelopes.

[miller0863]

You really do talk some absolute shite don’t you. Constantly misinterpreting what people post, sometimes deliberately and sometimes because you’re unfortunately just not very bright.

I don’t and never have cowered anywhere in my life as anyone who knows me will confirm.

The people got banned for their interactions between the three of them including following each other onto other sites and various other ridiculous behaviour.

I called Kev out initially I believe for going too far with either justme or 19, not for anything he said to me.
He later went for me too towards the end but that had absolutely NOTHING to do with his being banned.

I doubt very much anyone would be banned for responding to constant foul mouthed abuse, so I really do not think I have done anything in my twenty plus years on this forum to warrant even a temporary ban, you think differently because… well as I said, you’re not very bright.

You post long diatribes of utter nonsense on here on a regular basis which I very much doubt are read in much detail at all. They’re usually pretty pointless and just dragging out arguments over and over.

And sorry to disappoint but I won’t be joining in on a regular basis.

[CCTV]

Im not sure where you are getting this I said you should be banned from.

"Steveo posting similarly in his shill thread.

The fact you (CCTV) haven't been banned for such sick behaviour shows the total sham of how this board is moderated."

I said steveo met the definition most, and I don't want him banned.
I said you didnt have the integrity to put him in there on Merit as per the definition.
And I said you started this ban talk. Which you did with that post.

[CCTV]

I don’t and never have cowered anywhere in my life as anyone who knows me will confirm.

Hard to believe that ^ is true of anyone.

Like I swear, I've never told a lie in my whole life.

[Steveo]

Miller just gave you a masterclass in how irrelevant you are. To cap it all off, you’ve hit a new low of absolute desperation by taking a childish playground swipe at him and implying you’ve never told a lie in your entire life. You are a pathological liar who was just caught red-handed fabricating forum history about my family.

Go sit in the corner with your spreadsheets, take another trip back to the Tate, and stop embarrassing yourself.

[CCTV]

You really do talk some absolute shite don’t you. Constantly misinterpreting what people post, sometimes deliberately and sometimes because you’re unfortunately just not very bright.

I don’t and never have cowered anywhere in my life as anyone who knows me will confirm.

The people got banned for their interactions between the three of them including following each other onto other sites and various other ridiculous behaviour.

I called Kev out initially I believe for going too far with either justme or 19, not for anything he said to me.
He later went for me too towards the end but that had absolutely NOTHING to do with his being banned.

I doubt very much anyone would be banned for responding to constant foul mouthed abuse, so I really do not think I have done anything in my twenty plus years on this forum to warrant even a temporary ban, you think differently because… well as I said, you’re not very bright.

You post long diatribes of utter nonsense on here on a regular basis which I very much doubt are read in much detail at all. They’re usually pretty pointless and just dragging out arguments over and over.

And sorry to disappoint but I won’t be joining in on a regular basis.

1 I think its you who has misread what steveo posted, that I had referenced.

2 BS. I bet you never told a lie neither.
(Help clarify for Steveo)

3. 19x is banned, didn't know that, thought he just stopped posting. He posted after Kev0 & Jocky stopped. Real shame to lose another poster.

4. some people you like & you. How principled.

5. See 1. Thats what Steveo posted about me. Whislt he didn't explicitly call for me to be banned, I'm glad to see you could at least infer that much, even if you mistakenly thought I posted that about you. It was cited as it is similar to your post, that you requested as proof. I hope that clarifies your own post for you.

6. Plenty of ye responded in the WCM thread and you showed your level of tolerance there for debate once again. You pay some attention to my posts, amazingly missing others posts consistently. It seems you even pay so much attention to me, you needed to add me in with Jocky & Kev0 in your 3 brenvelopes. Everyone knew you meant them, I knew you meant me also, and never cowering in your life, the only confirmation it was me from you was a reply to 19... you think ?
Yes my posts are long and detailed, it's part of having a good debate.

7. Like you were out of the WCM thread, then returned to post. Not only did you read my posts, you read more of them after saying you were out.
As said you offered nothing of note in the WCM thread. You usually walk away at the first sign of a debate or a challenge. The forum is designed to host long posts and debates, its not really limited like twitter/x.

And tbc i said this piece

It's funny how pulling stats, detailed analysis and long posts has come to be the true terror of modern Britons. Educated fools from uneducated schools.

Taksin had the integrity and stamina to offer up a good debate, sadly I've not seen him since demonstrating that the Queen of England would have been open to charges of sports-washing on account of the tarnished reputation related to her nations operations and her own family sex scandals involving minors and Jeffrey Epstein

I held Taksin to task, on the definition and the meaning of words.

If you and your big brain, want to demonstrate your tolerance for discussion and debating/arguing skills, perhaps you can take to the WCM thread and post something of substance.
Given my posts are so long and detailed, maybe divvy it up between yourself and the gang.

Miller just gave you a masterclass in how irrelevant you are. To cap it all off, you’ve hit a new low of absolute desperation by taking a childish playground swipe at him and implying you’ve never told a lie in your entire life. You are a pathological liar who was just caught red-handed fabricating forum history about my family.

Go sit in the corner with your spreadsheets, take another trip back to the Tate, and stop embarrassing yourself.

I was saying that claiming you've never cowered in your life, as Miller did, is BS & is like saying you've never lied in your life, both claims are nonsense statements.

It is to your advantage that the forum has been shredded and search disabled. As shown my memory is pretty solid.

[CCTV]

No reply, I wonder why.

Miller, you say of I,

Constantly misinterpreting what people post, sometimes deliberately and sometimes because you’re unfortunately just not very bright.

And then you go on to say:

I doubt very much anyone would be banned for responding to constant foul mouthed abuse, so I really do not think I have done anything in my twenty plus years on this forum to warrant even a temporary ban, you think differently because… well as I said, you’re not very bright.

And having said I misinterpret people, and I am not very bright twice, well what do we see, you misread a post and think I called for you to be banned.

I said of your post.

A few saw this for what it was, and you can see Steveo posting similarly in his shill thread.

The fact you haven't been banned for such sick behaviour shows the total sham of how this board is moderated.

By not reading properly, you assumed I called for you to be banned, a post I cited as similar to yours calling for people to be banned.

And worse still, I point out how absurd it is to say you have never cowered anywhere in your life.

Miller said:

I don’t and never have cowered anywhere in my life as anyone who knows me will confirm.

I said

Hard to believe that ^ is true of anyone.

Like I swear, I've never told a lie in my whole life

Only for your bud Steveo to say this of me..

To cap it all off, you’ve hit a new low of absolute desperation by taking a childish playground swipe at him and implying you’ve never told a lie in your entire life.

Steveo misreading the text. But given I've equated your never cowering as BS to the same degree of saying I've never lied in my life, must we conclude that this is an apt description of your saying you never cowered in your life, anywhere.


Did you

hit a new low of absolute desperation by taking a childish playground swipe at him and implying you’ve never cowered anywhere in your entire life.

Before walking away

And of course steveo, has denied ever intending to bring children in to it whilst pitying my family.
He swears... sadly the forum doesnt go back far enough to prove him wrong.

But why bring my family into it, because I'm a racist...


I'll link again to justmes, Bali & Steveo thread

Heres a piece from Bali:

I want this forum to be a fun and interesting place to post - Steveo contributes negatively in that regard for me. Of course I'm going to call him out on here. I tried repeatedly to clear up the misunderstanding from yesterday and he just didn't care about it - all he wanted to do was be snide and try to insult me. That's not the sort of forum I want to be active on.

Then he proclaims I've made "many" racist / xenophobic comments on here in the past - if I have and didn't realise it, I should know about it so that I can work on that. I enjoy jokes about national stereotypes as much as the next guy, so it's entirely possible I've crossed the line at times or come off more aggressive than intended. I should work on that if that's the case.

And here's some words from steveo:

Again you are talking bollox. I mentioned Bulgaria's WW2 history specifically because you keep accusing me of being xenophobic and racist when I have said nothing NOTHING at all that can be labelled as either. Calling you a wannabe German or a Bulgar is nothing beyond description. The fact that I call you daft is personal like when you call me a dick . I do often find myself calling out your nationality when we are discussing words - meaning and understanding.. and it is relevant. Then the Dog Whistling bollox .....

So which group are we talking about here ? It is something I associate mostly with far right Nazi groups like the ones who paraded through Sofia in January. The use of the words like Xenophobic , Racist and Dog whistle are the reasons for posting about Bulgaria's dark WW2 period and subsequent Neo Nazi groups.. I wondered IF you were looking to be a martyr or being a hypocrite..

It is that simple. So stop trying to find something that isn't there just to cover up for your detritus.

And to cap it all off you even suggest I get banned too - wow.. A new low even for you

Then Bali:

Aaah, the dog whistle bit - every fucking time you disagree with something I post you go straight for the "he's Johnny Foreigner so he doesn't understand the language" - shtick - you don't try to explain, you don't try to clarify, you just go "lrn to reed bruv". Before this time moving on to the ever green "He's from one of those countries" - wink wink, nudge nudge - "One of those bad countries that were the bad guys in WW2, 'member?... sooo what does that tell you about him, eh? About what he posts on here?", "They celebrated a Nazi just last year ffs, 'member how evil they are? Yeah, that's the type of guy who has the gall to disagree me out". How very original. "Never you mind this all stems from me not reading a few lines and fundamentally misunderstanding someone's point because I can't bring myself to admit that sometimes statements need clarification and I kind of forgot that one and decided to just insult the guy.... THE GUY FROM THE EVIL COUNTRY, REMEMBER?!"

Not particularly relevant that - that's what I mean when I say you're dog whistling - "Hey hey, look at this guy, he's from that place - check out these cool uniforms. Fuck him and him opinion, the by-extension-nazi". The group of people that understand your whistle is all the posters on here - we all know what you mean when you post this sort of shite and you know it. Like when the Clintons used to say "inner city predators" back in the 90s - they meant poor black kids - everyone knew that.

Now this one's a bit tricky for you guys. Its a steveo post quoting Balinkay within it 😲
Time for the big brain maxxing...

Steveo said: 5th November 2020 03:57 PM

From the Mo thread -

"Quote Originally Posted by Balinkay View Post
On what plane of existence is it fucking relevant to our debate? Someone disagrees with you and makes fun of your inability to follow a forum thread and you start posting shite, connecting their country with Nazis? What the actual hell is wrong with you?"

(Steveo now)
It's like the halfwit has genuinely/purposely forgotten the baseless accusations of xenophobia, racism & dog whistling ever happened..Twilight zone... It really is unbelievable - out on his own certifiable.

Then the faux outrage spills over into talk of a ban no less. Well bugger me - if we don't have a genuine virtue signalling drama queen on our hands..

Is it..? Could it be puberty..?

Then another relevant exert from Steveo, speaking of Balinkay.

You seem obsessed with the topic of xenophobia and racism - all of a sudden - funny that.. Stands to reason that it might be a big issue in the modern day Bulgaria.

Thats a 5 page thread if anyone wants to read the full thing for context... their posts on the football forum now shredded.

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?287865-The-Steveo-Balinkay-battle-thread

Now all of the above is quite funny because steveo is still justifying pitying my family because I'm racist.... yes thats right racism.
And calling for me to be banned too !! A new low

Beacuse I brought his family into it, by citing what he said about his son, because steveo swears he never knew my family might involve children. And certainly not having laughed at my story wherein being a father was revealed, followed by pitying my family as a tag.

And of course your buddy Miller never felt the need to ask you to leave my family including offspring out of it. Nor did he ask Kev0. As Miller given his big brain should recall, I have offspring too. No grankids though. So if he's your good man. He seemingly doesnt have an issue with it either, maybe if its notme he might.

As said in the 3 brenvelopes thread, Steveo would best fit Millers description. Not that I want anyone banned.

So why do I say things to people at times that can be spicy, beacuse I think its in their best interests to do so and call out BS, including fake tough guys, who say they like debates and are tolerant of other opinions.

And Steveo, a man who will pop off about the WCM here and avoid posting in that thread. Maybe show me how by looking to save kids from their society, that this is proof I have admin immunity. Is your rebellion anti-child.

And in this thread, twas only a wee while ago you were confidently trying to convince me, that Taksin was Jocky.
Thereafter with the same high confidence, and as if you were never wrong, you moved on to me being behind the fake personas, aka CCTV is Taksin & Jocky.
Both times speaking passionately with total conviction and no doubt.

And whilst a few of the gang have this idea, that I think I am always right, I would reply and say, I have the ability to admit when I am wrong.

For example:
Last summer, a poster said I was wrong to say Owen left on a free, and I was wrong. So I said something like, correct, good spot, my bad. I'd gotten carried away while ranting. We all make mistakes, particularly when emotion is involved.

And a counter example:
Steveo said Kroos joined real on a free. I said he was wrong and they paid €25 million for Kroos in his final year.
Steveo refused to accept he was wrong. He argued Kroos signed for €25 million in the final year of his contract in 2014 was essentially a free transfer. So he was not wrong....
A €25 million fee in 2014 = a free transfer with no fee.

If I had no integrity, I would have mimicked him last summer, and argued i was not wrong it was essentially a free transfer.

I like to laugh at the combined caricature ye have created, the racist, irish Catholic in the kkk (who killed Irish catholics), whacking it off to photos of my friends kids, and getting a fetished kicks out of black babies being aborted, whilst trying to raise awareness and save English kids from horrors like gangrape, and slice & dice, based on a deep hatred of ze English oppressors.

One might wonder why such smears appear in the absence of an argument. I don't
And as folks can see I'm fairly resilient to such smears.

And Steveo if we take what you said about Balinkay, would it be fair to say you're a descendant of Irish Kapos who moved to the UK, to be a proud Englishman & Brit, a brother of Balfour zionism & a nephew of Galtons eugenics. 😲

Thank fuck I'm a low IQ pro-life Irishman, with a computer like memory and ability to analyse lots of figures as a spreadsheet does