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    Quote Originally Posted by scientificred View Post
    But Sid, he is a 19 year old playing for Slavia Prague with just 19 top flight appearances
    Which is probably why we need a more senior figure, as stated.

    He's the sort of player I'd try to secure for the bench or to loan out for a season to develop and strikers were the topic of convo - if he was our MAIN striking target I'd not be too happy

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    Bobby, what a legend

    Honestly, I think we need to use him differently in our current situation, we need to use him to move the 2 or 3 players that converge on him every time the ball is played into him, continually trying to play through him when that has been happening and has been very successful for opposition teams with our press not being as high or as good is blocking all the other lines in every game

    Like so many things last season worked so brilliantly automated, no reason we can't use him differently and create the same automated movement of other players around the movement of one, what Glenn Hoddle (the best thing he ever said) referred to as chain reaction movement

    We had that in numerous situations consistently the last 2-3 seasons, as soon as the ball went to Hendo in midfield or went back to Virgil, Mo and Mane were making their runs in behind and one or two midfielders and both full backs were making runs to get starting positions to make runs from to support the ball and win second balls depending on where it went

    Mane would be keeping the width at LFWD and when the play was on the right advanced in numerous situations and it went back from Mo to Trent or Hendo or Hendo to Trent or Trent to Hendo, Mane was instantly, automatically, making his outside in run looking to get on the end of the cross

    Thiago can't play through and find the gaps, because our persistently trying to play through Bobby and him consistently trying to receive the ball and turn with it when every time he does 2 or 3 opposition players are quickly around him blocks the lines and closes the gaps

    So, we're not getting the best out of Bobby and we're not getting anything out of Thiago, because how we keep trying to play is nullifying both, so change it

    What is wrong with trying to arrange in training, we have a week, programming some new chain reaction movement? When it goes back, have Bobby make 10 yard full sprint runs left or right back towards the ball and Mo and Mane simultaneously making outside in runs to positions just in front of the opposition backline, again supported by a midfielder and one or two full backs?

    If Bobby's run can create that gap by moving those 2 or 3 players and Thiago can find Mo, Mane or Keita through it, we've instantly got a 3 v 4 in a good position for any of the 3 to try and quickly play either of the other 2 in and Bobby's already spun when the pass is played and is sprinting towards goal to try and join them

    We're not doing enough for me to try and get the best out of both those players, got to be worth trying something, because continually trying to play through Bobby when he's swamped by 2 or 3 opposition players without the numbers around him as high we had the last 2 seasons isn't working and it is blocking the lines for the sort of passing Thiago's rated world class for, he can't play them if we're blocking the gaps
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    Pearce tweet from yesterday. Firmino is an Anfield legend but his powers have waned and evidence is stacking up wether to replace or rotate him. Either way a new number 9 is needed in the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teesred View Post
    Pearce tweet from yesterday. Firmino is an Anfield legend but his powers have waned and evidence is stacking up wether to replace or rotate him. Either way a new number 9 is needed in the summer.
    A new number 9 was needed a while ago tees. Even when we won the league he was still inconsistent. When on his game, he’s immense, regrettably, that’s only a few games a season

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDOC1979 View Post
    A new number 9 was needed a while ago tees. Even when we won the league he was still inconsistent. When on his game, he’s immense, regrettably, that’s only a few games a season
    Totally agree. With Pearce going public with that its pretty much nailed on we'll be bringing someone new in. Not usually like him to say stuff like that but people are beginning to see things differently now. Its not a slight on Firmino either, he is a legend but it's just natural that the front 3 would need to be re-worked or re-newed at some point.

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    We would have got 2 more seasons of peak Bobby had we brought in a Jota after winning number 6. Would have lightened his burden. See how much better he was when dropped for Jota - then after the injury - played relentlessly and levels have fallen off a cliff. Same goes for the whole front 3. They need at least one other genuine rotational option or foil to make a 4.

    But the club wants to try its hand - like with Lovren this summer. Get the most for the least. Push the boat engine like Quint in Jaws...just before the bearings went...

    Farewell and adieu....

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    Quote Originally Posted by teesred View Post
    Pearce tweet from yesterday. Firmino is an Anfield legend but his powers have waned and evidence is stacking up wether to replace or rotate him. Either way a new number 9 is needed in the summer.
    What would folks do with Bobby?

    Sell and re-invest?

    Keep and use as depth/sub instead of someone like Origi?

    Keep and use in a different position, such as one of the "8s" in our "two 8s and a 6" set-up?

    Keep and use as a "10" in a 4-2-3-1 set-up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious View Post
    What would folks do with Bobby?

    Sell and re-invest?

    Keep and use as depth/sub instead of someone like Origi?

    Keep and use in a different position, such as one of the "8s" in our "two 8s and a 6" set-up?

    Keep and use as a "10" in a 4-2-3-1 set-up?
    If origi leaves, I’d retain Firmino. Maybe use a different formation when things aren’t going our way and we know there’s a team that like to park the bus. Give them something to think about.

    Have we used a different formation at all this season or last?

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    I would keep. Depends on if he wants to stay and be an impact player. I personally think his peak has passed but he's still very much worthy of a squad place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveo View Post
    We would have got 2 more seasons of peak Bobby had we brought in a Jota after winning number 6. Would have lightened his burden. See how much better he was when dropped for Jota - then after the injury - played relentlessly and levels have fallen off a cliff. Same goes for the whole front 3. They need at least one other genuine rotational option or foil to make a 4.

    But the club wants to try its hand - like with Lovren this summer. Get the most for the least. Push the boat engine like Quint in Jaws...just before the bearings went...

    Farewell and adieu....
    Aye true.
    We are going to need a bigger boat for next season thats for sure.

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