Summer transfer thread

[Steveo]

I wouldn't have Abramovitch as an owner, he is too trigger happy for me. At least the ones we have give their managers a good run at it. You could argue they didn't give Dalglish a good run, but that was as much about the Suarez t shirts nonsense as it was about on field results.

I would agree on that point. manager is under a microscope. Probably all age 5 years every 1.

[Steveo]

But I didn't do that, tough, did I. I said they were oligarch run clubs. They are easily identified as such and widely despised for it by fair minded punters. People don't like those clubs because they bought their success. A friend of mine calls them clubs where the players become the harem of the owners. PSG, Chelsea and Man City were mediocre clubs who have risen because their owners wanted to own a plaything and had enough money to make it happen.

We, on the other hand, are generally seen as having earned our success the honest way (if you ignore the conspiracy theorists at Everton). That's a reputation that I think we deserve and that's how I want to keep things. FSG have helped to restore us to the top by good management, not by furnishing their personal fantasies (eg. Shevchenko).

It turns out you have the little boy's fantasy of buying everything he wants. "just imagine it" you ask.. no thanks. And ultimately you have reduced success to money - something that should be seen as contradictory coming from a self described socialist. Although socialists tend to appear to be obsessed with money in my experience. Klopp isn't though, interestingly.

But as an aside, I think the model we are currently operating is superior in the medium to long term, that's one of the reasons I prefer it. What that means is I think we are better run than Chelsea and Man City. Our growth is more organic and that will lead to better decisions being made all around. The problem we will have is when FSG decide to sell. Then we will be at the mercy of either an oligarch or a set of fools. That's not something to look forward to.

As for bias, you can't even have a discussion about how well FSG have done. You are too emotional to talk any sense on the subject.

But we are not a relatively small club like Chelsea were pre Roman and I was simply comparing Roman with Henry/FSG.

The best countries on the planet are almost al exclusively run along socialist lines - not Communist or slaves to the market like the US or worse still Russia's capitalism on steroids crap.

And as for FSG's success - relative to what? Hicks and Gillett? is that the marker? - No I measure against Roman and it is perfectly reasonable to do so.

[CCTV]

Speaking of younger players, in terms of age profile I'd love it if we were to have a look at someone like Camavinga - or Gravenberch.

18 and 19 respectively. Having a genuinely young player available for midfield selection in-and-around the first team soaking up how we operate with a look to the future would be great.

No point in Dortmund or whatever other club buying them and us paying for them at double/triple the price in a few years and we should always have an eye on the "cycle" that will involve Trent, Jones, Elliott, Konate and so on.

No idea who either of those two are sid.

I've seen us linked with a Florian Neuhaus by some German media, a midfielder.
Any thoughts ?

[Steveo]

I hear that lad is class - potential Modric material.


Get him NOW!!!!!

[CCTV]

I hear that lad is class - potential Modric material.


Get him NOW!!!!!

What soft and overrated

[Steveo]

Yep that’s the one

[Insidious]

I've seen us linked with a Florian Neuhaus by some German media, a midfielder.
Any thoughts ?

He wouldn't be my personal number 1 pick, but he ticks a lot of boxes for us and I'd be delighted if we brought him in.

Excellent variety of passes, can produce a through ball on the counter, can do the best give-and-go stuff that Keita is quite good at.

Good age (24) and 30-or-more League appearances 3 seasons in a row now, so we could be cautiously optimistic about his injury record.

[Steveo]

Yep looks good on paper. I don’t know anything other than what I have been told to be honest.

[Taksin]

But we are not a relatively small club like Chelsea were pre Roman and I was simply comparing Roman with Henry/FSG.

That's the point though. We are a big club with history and it has taken good management structure or ownership to get organised again. The smaller clubs required big outlays to buy their success. Most people consider that to be unfair or at least unsavoury. You seem to consider it to be ideal in a new turn of events.

Remember I am the one who believes that success starts with the owners and is only later enhanced by the manager. A manager without competent owners can't succeed. You have now started to contradict yourself (quelle surprise) by indicating that the thing we need for success is a Roman Abramovic figure. You actually think the wealth of the owner is the most important thing - which is even more of a dependence you are setting up than I do on the competence of the owner.

So, you are beginning to agree with me. Shame you have blinded yourself to the merits of FSG as a result of deciding to look only at their money.

No I measure against Roman and it is perfectly reasonable to do so.

That's what I am doing too. I've never said you can't compare. Until the last few hours I never thought anyone would want to argue that the oligarch model is desirable for the club but I have had that notion dispelled.

It is reasonable to compare. What is unreasonable is to make absolute statements about how the owners show;
"Total negligence"
"They have been totally inept"
"the clowns from Boston"

Again, it's fine to believe these things but its too easy to counter them for anyone with half a brain. So insisting on your version of events is a bit foolish. Trying to convince other people that you are on to something would at least be polite.

[Kev0909]

Got a feeling city will make some big signings after failing to win the champions league again, and winning the league, to keep on top.

wouldn't be surprised they won it the next 5 years tbh

Unless klopp can perform a miracle or FSG spend some money.