Transfer spening and footy finances

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So in the spirit of forum cohesion I'll start a new thread for objective & any discussion on net spending etc etc

Heres a link to the original thread.It's a belter of analysis of transfer market activity, and better than just about most media articles in terms of analysis.

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?310133-Top6-spends-analysed-by-MV-13-14-onwards

The top 6 spending was analysed from 13/14 season onwards.

Gross spend - money forked out for players.
Sales income - money taken for players sold.
Net spend/profit the net difference between the 2.

MV of players who've left, loan deals, transfer fees and free contract departures, is compared with sales figures.

MV of players who've arrived, loan deals, transfer fees and free contract arrivals, is compared with gross spending.

Then the net market value shift was compared with the net spending of clubs. This generated a nice little metric of how many cents the squads value adjusted net for the net spending per euro.

The above thread examined the value of transfers by an objective and open source data base of player valuations. Widely referenced.

You could go and exclude loan players, but I think those are important to count. You could go and exclude players like Giorgi/Keita who arrived, went out on loan, and returned to LFC, as like loans these 3 debits/credits inflate the market value shift figures as a total. These seem more sensible than the loans for exclusions. They haven't been excluded yet by myself.

Heres an example of the analysis applied previously to gauge the effectiveness of net spending per euro.

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LFC

20/21 -67.6m (mv gain +94.65)
Spent 84.8 value 182.5
Sold 17.2 value 87.85

21/22 -59.35 (mv gain +22)
Spent 91 value 155
Sold 31.65 value 133

22/23 -65.1 (mv gain 34.7)
Spent 145.8 value 165
Sold 80.7 value 130.3

23/24 -111.8 (mv gain 29.8)
Spent 172 value 191.5
Sold 60.7 value 161.7

Total 303.85 net.
Gross spend 493.6
Gross sales 190.25
Market value shift +181.15

https://www.transfermarkt.com/liverpool-fc/transfers/verein/31/plus/?saison_id=2023&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=


Arsenal

20/21 -66.85 (MV gain +43.55)
Spent 86 value 229.3
Sold 19.15 value 185.75

21/22 -136 (Mv loss -59.3)
Spent 167.4 value 185.85
Sold 31.4 value 245.15

22/23 -162.6 (Mv +171.8)
Spent 186.4 value 370
Sold 23.8 value 198.2

23/24 -165.9 (mv gain +131.6)
Spent 235.1 value 319.9
Sold 69.2 value 188.3

Total 531.35 net.
Gross spend 674.9
Gross sales 143.55
Market value shift +287.65

https://www.transfermarkt.com/arsenal-fc/transfers/verein/11/plus/?saison_id=2020&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=


Arsenal Spent a further 227.5 mill net,
181.3 gross.
And had a greater market value shift +106.5 mill

Per €uro Net-Spent
Arsenal gained 54 cent in market value.
LFC gained 59 cent in market value.


Emery's Villa

22/23 -46.14 (Mv +78.7)
Spent 100.14 value 242.7
Sold 54 value 164

23/24 -78.95 (mv gain 110.75)
Spent 111.5 value 179.45
Sold 32.55 value 68.7

Total 125.09 net.
Gross spend 211.64
Gross sales 86.55
Market value shift +189.45

Per €uro Net-Spent
Villa gained 151 cent.

Klopp clearly hindered by a few notable free transfer departures Gini, Bobby,

I'd emery's Villa have been better run than both lfc & arsenal over these past few years.

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?310133-Top6-spends-analysed-by-MV-13-14-onwards/page4


Arsenal gained 54 cent in market value per euro spent.
LFC gained 59 cent in market value per euro spent.
Villa gained 151 cent in market value per euro spent.

Of course the actual net spending is important too, but this analysis really gets to show how effective the spending is in reality.
For every euro spent net, Emery nearly trippled his returns compared with Klopp & Arteta 20/21 to 23/24.

With Villa/Emery over those 2 years, my analysis suggests Villa have been doing great. Better than both Arsenal & LFC.
Not bad from Emerys Villa over their shared eras. A well run club one might say..

Arsenal had spent a further €406.26 mill to improve their squad by €98.2 million more than Villa.
LFC had spent a further €178.76 mill to improve their squad by €8.3 million less than Villa.

Granted that was 4 years for Arteta & Klopp, and only 2 for Emery, but that's largely irrelevant on a mv gain per euro net spent metric.

I'll compare Klopp early days pre Arteta v Klopp & Arteta shared era already detailed above. Slot & BR too, to cover most recent LFC managers. Let's see what it says. Lets test it a little further.

If I'm back on the forum soon, Ill archive the Original thread

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LFC

Klopp early years 16/17 to 19/20

16/17
Net profit +9.08 (mv gain +21.5m)
Spent 79.9m value 141.25
Sold 89.98 value 119.75

17/18
Net profit +10.85 (mv gain -43.7m)
Spent 173.65 value 125.65
Sold 184.5 value 169.35

18/19
Net loss -150.88 (mv gain+133.4 )
Spent 192.2 value 244.3
Sold 41.32 value 110.9

19/20
Net profit +37.6 (mv gain -29.6)
Spent 10.4value 67.35
Sold 48 value 96.95

Total 93.35 net.
Gross spend 456.15
Gross sales 363.8
Market value shift +81.6

Per euro spent Klopp (16-17 to 19/20) added 87.4 cent in net gain to the squads valuation.

LFC Slot

24/25
Net profit +5 (mv gain +7.1m)
Spent 42m value 132.5
Sold 47 value 125.4

25/26
Net loss -263.4 (mv gain +206.9m)
Spent 482.9m value 513.4
Sold 219.5 value 306.5

Total 258.4 net.
Gross spend 524.9
Gross sales 266.5
Market value shift +214

Per euro spent Slot (24/25 to 25/26) added 82.8 cent in net gain to the squads valuation.

LFC BR

12/13
Net loss -60.15 (mv gain +18.4m)
Spent 70.6m value 91.7
Sold 10.45 value 73.3

13/14 -25.6
Net loss -25.6 (mv gain -6.4m)
Spent 58.1m value 75.8
Sold 32.5 value 82.2

14/15
Net loss -52.16 (mv gain +5.5m)
Spent 151.43m value 127.65
Sold 99.27 value 122.15

Summer 15
Net loss -35.95 (mv gain -13.4m)
Spent 126.5m value 109.2
Sold 90.55 value 122.6

Total 173.86 net.
Gross spend 406.63
Gross sales 232.77
Market value shift +4.1

Per euro spent BR (12/13 to Summer transfer window 15/16) added 2.4 cent in net gain to the squads valuation.



So let's recap, using a logical, extra level of analysis.

Manager - Period - Net Spend & Market value gained per euro spent.

Emery Villa 22/23 to 23/34
€125.09 mill net & 151 cent gained per euro.

Klopp 16/17 to 19/20
€93.35 mill net & 87.4 cent gained per euro.

Slot 24/25 to 25/26
€258.4 mill net & 82.8 cent gained per euro.

Klopp 20/21 to 23/24
€303.85 mill net & 59 cent gained per euro.

Areta 20/21 to 23/24
€531.35 mill net & 54 cent gained per euro.

Rodgers 12/13 to Post-Summer of 15/16
€173.86 mill net & 2.4 cent gained per euro.

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At the extremes we have

Rodgers LFC which spent €173.86 million net to increase the squads valuation by €4.1 million via player trading.
A disaster.

Emery spent €125.09 mill net to increase their squads valuation by €189.45 million

With respect to Klopp we can see how more efficient his earlier days were at LFC, and how much more wasteful he was in those last 4 seasons.

Interestingly Slots score is close to the early days of Klopp, and away from latter day Klopp & Artetas.