Match Thread: Liverpool v Crystal Palace

[Insidious]

Most seasons fergie seemed to lose it and then go on to win the title! Much to our chagrin!

Is it 16 for us and 21 for them, with that being the most any side has?

I am not really arsed about the Community Shield, but I do very much like records. It would be nice to win the League or FA Cup a bit more often simply to have a chance to bolster our tally.

I always like to imagine a time where we are out in front on all fronts. That isn't happening any time soon with Big Ears as Real Madrid are so far out in front, but I'd like to think that over the next 10 years or so we could extend our League Cup lead, take the lead (and extend it) in the League and begin to improve our FA Cup record which isn't where it should be given our stature - same for the Community Shield despite it being a glorified friendly.

[Red October]

Yeah. I think I'm misremembering but it seemed that we'd get excited about United losing the charity shield only to win the league yet again.

Looking at records, between 98 and 07 United only won it once while still often being the team to beat in the league.

[justme]

I use to hate it when some on here(that were here years ago) use to gloat when man-15th were losing or drawing and it always came back to bite them. cause Man-15th came back to win

[Insidious]

Yeah. I think I'm misremembering but it seemed that we'd get excited about United losing the charity shield only to win the league yet again.

Looking at records, between 98 and 07 United only won it once while still often being the team to beat in the league.

Knew their record was poor in that spell but hadn't realised it was as poor as that - not that their fans will care one bit given their success in real competitions.

Similarly our 22/23 Community Shield match against Man City had this mad narrative around it in terms of our chances of competing against Man City and who had bought the better striker. Núñez came out on top in that individual match over Erling, but we went on to finish the season outside of the Champion's League spots, 22 points behind Man City.

[Kev0909]

Agreed. We've complained for years about lack of investment and now they invest and we complain about selling of bit- part players in order to fund some top class signings. Can't have it all. Yes it'll probably take some of them a while to settle but that's life. Much rather be us than a settled arsenal side who will finally have their year (will they really?).

Didn't see the whole game but eki looked good, frimpong looked good and wirtz did too. Its also only the charity shield. Most seasons fergie seemed to lose it and then go on to win the title! Much to our chagrin!

Bit-part players

Diaz?
did we plan to sell Jota if he didn't die?

people are sugarcoating this going oh boohoo we're getting rid of those we wanted to sell, but forgetting the 2 players that have been vital in attack for years for us..... granted jota didn't have his best season last year due to injuries too, doubt we planned to sell him, or diaz, who's better than gakpo, so that's a downgrade and we're missing a player.

we've literally got 3 attackers that we can depend on in 3 positions ffs. and we say we need a midfielder to give grav a rest?

not to mention the CB area

But let's all be positive and not think of these things, who knows we might sign isak in 3 weeks and might be upto speed and match fit in 10 games, at least that'll mean one player can rotate in the 3 positions who we can count on.

Why is it impossible to have a good first team,and some players that can fill in and do a good job? it's called Champions league winning team, that's what, look at PSG if we had half there bench I'd be happy.

Burned out a bit last season now you all expect us to have even less players out injured than last season, thought we did quite well on that front apart from the usual suspects... and win more ? from a number of options to a unproven striker really, first season in prem ffs, Gakpo and salah? not counting chiesa he never plays, is the 16 year old going to play for months every game if gakpo gets injured ?

One thing is for sure, we won't win anything with 3 senior attackers and 2 CB's we can count on, started well this window but it's a joke we're playing friday in this situation.

[Red October]

Bit-part players

Diaz?
did we plan to sell Jota if he didn't die?

people are sugarcoating this going oh boohoo we're getting rid of those we wanted to sell, but forgetting the 2 players that have been vital in attack for years for us..... granted jota didn't have his best season last year due to injuries too, doubt we planned to sell him, or diaz, who's better than gakpo, so that's a downgrade and we're missing a player.

we've literally got 3 attackers that we can depend on in 3 positions ffs. and we say we need a midfielder to give grav a rest?

not to mention the CB area

But let's all be positive and not think of these things, who knows we might sign isak in 3 weeks and might be upto speed and match fit in 10 games, at least that'll mean one player can rotate in the 3 positions who we can count on.

Why is it impossible to have a good first team,and some players that can fill in and do a good job? it's called Champions league winning team, that's what, look at PSG if we had half there bench I'd be happy.

Burned out a bit last season now you all expect us to have even less players out injured than last season, thought we did quite well on that front apart from the usual suspects... and win more ? from a number of options to a unproven striker really, first season in prem ffs, Gakpo and salah? not counting chiesa he never plays, is the 16 year old going to play for months every game if gakpo gets injured ?

One thing is for sure, we won't win anything with 3 senior attackers and 2 CB's we can count on, started well this window but it's a joke we're playing friday in this situation.

Looking at the list of players out so far:

Diaz - 28yrs - still possible to get decent fee for him, maybe wouldn't next season, one year older etc.
Nunez -still young enough and can get a decent fee back for a player who just hasn't done it simple as.
Quansah - bit-part player who most were complaining about last season. Could have been given more time to develop arguably but he has brought a decent fee for a young player
Kelleher - wanted first team football and probably could have brought a higher fee IMO
Arnold - well-documented, wanted to leave, didn't sign a contract. Arguably should have been asked to leave or sign a couple of seasons back but then you lose one of your best players in his prime too.

Morton ...
Philips
Jaros
Davies

etc. etc.

Diaz and Trent are the only ones I would try and keep from the above but Trent didn't want to stay. Diaz had been linked with a move the past couple of seasons. He hasn't produced end-product but I would agree he's a good player and valuable to the team. However, he'll be worth a lot less in a season or two and possibly would want much higher wages to stay.

In anything in life you have to make decisions and there is no perfect scenario. As fans we want it all but the guys in charge have to actually make the calls. They've probably looked at the above and decided it's worth the risk to cash in on Diaz now rather than get little to nothing for him in a couple of years. With Trent they might have thought if he won't sign let's try and get what we can from him before he leaves as he's a gifted young player. Not perfect or easy decisions but someone had to make them.

[Kev0909]

I get that diaz wanted to leave too, but not signing a replacement and expecting gakpo to start at LW every game is criminal, yes if we get isak ekiteke can play on the wings, that's still only 4 in 3 though one injury they have to play every single game, apart from League cup/fa cup we probably won't care about much.

Imagine if one of them misses months of the season, and we're counting on a 16 year old ?

Not to mention quansah, yes he wasn't the best but could still do a job and a backup option now we've got fuck all whos actually a CB this is with konate leaving on a free next summer and VVD can't go on forever, we need to replace him simple as that, i'm sure we will bring in a CB but we're taking our sweet time.

[jozza800]

Numbers, yes we're down. But should we sign Isak then surely the overall quality is up?

Most people didn't want Nunez and Diogo was struggling to recapture any sort of form. Most wanted both to be sold.

Salah
Diaz
Gakpo
Nunez
Jota
Chiesa

Salah
Isak
Ekitike
Gakpo
Chiesa
Rio/Doak

Obviously, if we don't add another forward and CB then I will be slightly more concerned.

[Kev0909]

Chiesa going to play now suddenly, and staying? same with Doak? and the other is a 16 year old kid...

And it's ben doak to win the title for Liverpoooooool........

brilliant


Salah
Isak (if it happens)
Ekitike
Gakpo

More like, thought Chiesa was off to italy, and doak leeds

[Red October]

I agree with you Kev that we need more numbers. Its a hard balancing act. Hopefully we get a few more in together with isak.

[CCTV]

Numbers, yes we're down. But should we sign Isak then surely the overall quality is up?

Most people didn't want Nunez and Diogo was struggling to recapture any sort of form. Most wanted both to be sold.

Salah
Diaz
Gakpo
Nunez
Jota
Chiesa

Salah
Isak
Ekitike
Gakpo
Chiesa
Rio/Doak

Obviously, if we don't add another forward and CB then I will be slightly more concerned.

I'd have sold Diogo but I think our attackers are/were criminally underrated.
Isak is seen as the guaranteed quality arriving from Newcastle but I'm not so sure and will be gladly proved wrong if he signs up.

Looking at our net spend today, and Slot & the clubs talk this summer, think its safe to say more will arrive.
Something like Guehi, Isak & Rodrygo. With Elliott maybe leaving of the 'players to be sold'.

[Kev0909]

I'd have sold Diogo but I think our attackers are/were criminally underrated.
Isak is seen as the guaranteed quality arriving from Newcastle but I'm not so sure and will be gladly proved wrong if he signs up.

Looking at our net spend today, and Slot & the clubs talk this summer, think its safe to say more will arrive.
Something like Guehi, Isak & Rodrygo. With Elliott maybe leaving of the 'players to be sold'.

that's what we need, even if we get Isak I still don't think it's enough in a long season, but I fear we'll just end up with isak or something, still be short. Probably could have got the striker arsenal have signed, cba to spell his name, Rodrygo and Guehi for the amount it would cost for isak or not far off.

Not sure why people think isak is 100% coming because what i've heard it's increasingly unlikely

[jozza800]

Chiesa going to play now suddenly, and staying? same with Doak? and the other is a 16 year old kid...

And it's ben doak to win the title for Liverpoooooool........

brilliant


Salah
Isak (if it happens)
Ekitike
Gakpo

More like, thought Chiesa was off to italy, and doak leeds

Well he didn't play last season, so what's the difference?

Etikite in for Jota
Isak in for Nunez
Rio in place of Diaz.

To me that's a net gain.

[jozza800]

I'd have sold Diogo but I think our attackers are/were criminally underrated.
Isak is seen as the guaranteed quality arriving from Newcastle but I'm not so sure and will be gladly proved wrong if he signs up.

Looking at our net spend today, and Slot & the clubs talk this summer, think its safe to say more will arrive.
Something like Guehi, Isak & Rodrygo. With Elliott maybe leaving of the 'players to be sold'.

I think most of our squad has been criminally underrated.

[Kev0909]

Well he didn't play last season, so what's the difference?

Etikite in for Jota
Isak in for Nunez
Rio in place of Diaz.

To me that's a net gain.

You really are dumb and not getting it, Rio in place of Diaz? great that.

One of them gets injured then what?

Can't be bothered with repeating myself about numbers, I said about chiesa - EXACTLY you can't count him as a body so that leaves 3 SENIOR ATTACKERS CURRENTLY

How is that a net gain? Diaz>Rio Ekitkite can't say he's better than jota yet....

Isak's not here, even if he was right now he's the only upgrade in that attack for sure, and a big one but we've still only got 4 players into 3 positions... long season you know, look at the midfield last season, burned out.