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You stated all Slot did was play Klopps best 11.
You failed to conceded that Slot played a different shape.
You also failed to realise that Slots best 11 was different to Klopps. Most notably you argued Grav was in Klopps best 11 and Slots 11, when the selections for top tier PL games showed that was not true.Last edited by Guest; 27 September 2025, 11:03 AM.
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Thats some statement on Slot. After days of requests, yiu have yet to produce 1 name from your many, and overall its a stupid claim.Owners well aware of it. Went massive this summer because they know full well, Klopp's charisma and star which is still written across the club won't last forever. Slot's a great coach but he won't hold that together long.*He needs to be a super success on the pitch - like Paisley was,*and even then - players won't have that bond with him that they had with Jurgen. We have seen many already show a lack of loyalty.
Get used to it.
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Yeah Grav didn't really get much of a look in at first, and was nowhere near as good as under Slot, salah also had his best season last season, I think?Originally posted by CCTV View PostYou stated all Slot did was play Klopps best 11.
You failed to conceded that Slot played a different shape.
You also failed to realise that Slots best 11 was different to Slots. Most notably you argued Grav was in Klopps best 11 and Slots 11, when the selections for top tier PL games showed that was not true.
No disprespect to Klopp, but the whole only "Klopp gets the best out of players" might be true to a degree- especially the average ones, but not players like Grav etc.
I've not watched the whole video yet but he's also mentioned how it came to bite him towards end of season, playing the same players suppose that's why we've splashed out so we've got a little bit more quality depth, even if we don't have the numbers as other teams do, it's not perfect still missing a top midfielder to rotate jones,endo they don't cut it for me, they're not top players a massive drop of quality, probably could do with another attacker too to make it perfect, obviously we know about the CB situation.
It's a good way to do things, but players fitness/injury's will be key this season, not a good start by losing leoni,we get another bad injury at CB or midfield, or even attack especially on the wings, it'll be a huge blow.Last edited by Kev0909; 27 September 2025, 10:54 AM.
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Aw bless - so Slot admits he played the same players.Originally posted by CCTV View PostYou stated all Slot did was play Klopps best 11.
You failed to conceded that Slot played a different shape.
You also failed to realise that Slots best 11 was different to Klopps. Most notably you argued Grav was in Klopps best 11 and Slots 11, when the selections for top tier PL games showed that was not true.
Which players would he choose in your crazy world CCTV?
Does he go for he weaker technicians or the best 11..?. 🤔
come on your fraud - You’re a busted flush,, accept it when someone else calls it right. You love to point out when they are wrong - even if it be a prediction.
Be a man. - Gowaaan
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Sorry but unravelling your complete tripe… Slots best 11 is ENTIRELY made up of the best players left to him by Jurgen Klopp.
Nobody ever said he picked Klopp’s favourite players - and as Kev has rightly pointed out - Grav was poor in his first season and the team had to cope with multiple casualties BUT still went for 4 trophies. Watch the video - be a man…
What part of this escapes you..?
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I've shown you the starts and minutes played under Slot & Klopp.
They had different best 11s.
You argued Grav was in Klopps best 11.
He was not, the data shows it and the wider football world can see Grav emerged from day one under Slot in Slots double pivot.
Pretty clear from average position he changed the shape too.
You still haven't provided one name from the many, ArtetaFamTVeo
I mean you could just admit you were chatting shit about Slot, and cannot provide 1 name/example when asked for 1.
But that would require some integrity.
You haven't got the mental means to back up your statement with 1 example, nor the integrity to admit you were chatting shit as usual
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You have been shown by the very manager who inherited Jurgen's entire team that the Squad was “small” You’ve been shown by the same man (Slot) that he continually picked the strongest players from that squad - the strongest 11 ( Klopp’s best 11) and he himself believes this is the reason we won the title…. Now it’s by no means the whole story but it’s proves that on both counts I had made accurate points. Points you scoffed at… … Frankly your responses to it - as expected as they are - prove you are a child.
You refused to accept this when I stated them and are dancing around them when the current manager states it,
Little point conversing with someone who;
a refuses to accept reality
b. continually takes what people say and invents his own interpretations as gospel.
c makes false claims about what people have said.
and this an answer to c.
Gravenberch IS most definitely one of Klopp’s best 11. He will be one of Klopp’s best 11 even if Slot is replaced by Potter in March! So far this season he’s been pretty much OUR MIDFIELD. He wasn’t so great in his first season but playing in a completely NEW midfield.. New country, tougher league - new club…. and a team suffering an unprecedented injury crisis. . Do you think Klopp was washing his hands of him..? Thinking that is it - sell him…? And regardless of what Klopp felt he was - He was and is one of the best 11 players left to Arne by Jurgen,
What planet are you on in trying to use semantics so desperately when they don’t stack up?
imagine this.
CCTV - you are a busted flush.
You went on and on about me labelling the squad as small - short.. insert word… …. It was short… and we got away with it… Brilliant… So let’s try that again shall we. Chance our arm that rivals fall off a cliff the same season we just happen to have no major injuries and can pick from the best lineup almost every league game.
Clearly the top brass at the club are aware of what I was saying and what Slot has confirmed. We needed more. Klopp needed more… Hopefully now - Slot is getting more.
Now do us all a favour and - disconnect the internet!
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You have been shown by the very manager who inherited Jurgen's entire team that the Squad was “small” You’ve been shown by the same man (Slot) that he continually picked the strongest players from that squad - the strongest 11 ( Klopp’s best 11) and he himself believes this is the reason we won the title…. Now it’s by no means the whole story but it’s proves that on both counts I had made accurate points. Points you scoffed at… … Frankly your responses to it - as expected as they are - prove you are a child.
You refused to accept this when I stated them and are dancing around them when the current manager states it,
Little point conversing with someone who;
a refuses to accept reality
b.continually takes what people say and invents his own interpretations as gospel.
c makes false claims about what people have said.
and this an answer to b.
Gravenberch IS most definitely one of Klopp’s best 11. He will be one of Klopp’s best 11 even if Slot is replaced by Potter in March! So far this season he’s been pretty much OUR MIDFIELD. He wasn’t so great in his first season but playing in a completely NEW midfield.. New country, tougher league - new club…. and a team suffering an unprecedented injury crisis. . Do you think Klopp was washing his hands of him..? Thinking that is it - sell him…? And regardless of what Klopp felt he was - He was and is one of the best 11 players left to Arne by Jurgen,
What planet are you on in trying to use semantics so desperately when they don’t stack up?
imagine this.
CCTV - you are a busted flush.
You went on and on about me labelling the squad as small - short.. insert word… …. It was short… and we got away with it… Brilliant… So let’s try that again shall we. Chance our arm that rivals fall off a cliff the same season we just happen to have no major injuries and can pick from the best lineup almost every league game.
Clearly the top brass at the club are aware of what I was saying and what Slot has confirmed. We needed more. Klopp needed more… Hopefully now - Slot is getting more.
Now do us all a favour and - disconnect the internet!
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Forget one example - how about all of them, Every one of them equates to what I have accused you of,
“Ratman” now is it…
So not only unhinged but it seems like you’re seething deep inside… 😡 Calm down dear. Why all this emotion for me..?
So…
Let’s look at “Slot used Klopp’s best 11 as often as he could” which is precisely what he did for..,, which is what myself and every fooking poster on this forums knows full well was precisely the case… AND which Slot is on sodding camera telling everyone watching that he did.
Are you perhaps suggesting he picked the worst and weakest from Klopp’s squad instead…? If so you’re even more batshit crazy than I thought.
I told you already “F$G Fan Boi’ disconnect your internet before you bust another few blood vessels
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You can't have your cake and eat it.
It was widely mentioned on here that we didn’t have a strong enough side in Jurgen's final season which is the reason we ran out of steam...
Yet, the EXACT same side then wins the league the following season...
And you can't use the lowish points tally of our nearest rivals as the only reason we won the league. Otherwise it could be equally said of the same of City's 80odd points in 2020. It didn't make our title win that year any less valid.
What's an 'acceptable' points total for 2nd place to validate a title win?Something, Something, Something, Dark Side
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You saidOriginally posted by Steveo View PostForget one example - how about all of them, Every one of them equates to what I have accused you of,
“Ratman” now is it…
So not only unhinged but it seems like you’re seething deep inside… Calm down dear. Why all this emotion for me..?
So…
Let’s look at “Slot used Klopp’s best 11 as often as he could” which is precisely what he did for..,, which is what myself and every fooking poster on this forums knows full well was precisely the case… AND which Slot is on sodding camera telling everyone watching that he did.
Are you perhaps suggesting he picked the worst and weakest from Klopp’s squad instead…? If so you’re even more batshit crazy than I thought.
I told you already “F$G Fan Boi’ disconnect your internet before you bust another few blood vessels
I've said:Owners well aware of it. Went massive this summer because they know full well, Klopp's charisma and star which is still written across the club won't last forever. Slot's a great coach but he won't hold that together long. He needs to be a super success on the pitch - like Paisley was,*and even then - players won't have that bond with him that they had with Jurgen. We have seen many already show a lack of loyalty.
Get used to it.
Thats some statement on Slot. After days of requests, you have yet to produce 1 name from your many, and overall its a stupid claim.
And then I've said:
1 example or just admit you're a little lying ratman.
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Grav ranked 3rd for PL minutes & CL minutes under Slot last year.
3rd to Salah & Virgil in both competitions.
He got 3,169 minutes in the PL.
No midfielder played more minutes in the PL or CL than Grav under Slot.
Grav ranked 18th for PL minutes & 14th for EL minutes under Klopp the year before.
He got 1,122 minutes in the PL.
MacA, Sobozla, Jones, Elliott & Endo each getting more minutes under Klopp in the PL than Grav.
I've broken this down by starts and substitute appearances previously.
And whilst you cite injury crisis season in 2023/24 Grav was out for 2 of our 38 PL games with injury.
The irony in your post is hilarious..
And to remind you here's what you said about the squad in September 2024.Gravenberch IS most definitely one of Klopp’s best 11. He will be one of Klopp’s best 11 even if Slot is replaced by Potter in March! So far this season he’s been pretty much OUR MIDFIELD. He wasn’t so great in his first season but playing in a completely NEW midfield.. New country, tougher league - new club…. and a team suffering an unprecedented injury crisis. . Do you think Klopp was washing his hands of him..? Thinking that is it - sell him…? And regardless of what Klopp felt he was - He was and is one of the best 11 players left to Arne by Jurgen,
What planet are you on in trying to use semantics so desperately when they don’t stack up?
https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?310133-Top6-spends-analysed-by-MV-13-14-onwardsSteveo in September 2024
Brighton are a well run club - so fucking what. The reality is our amazing manager wasn’t backed as well as Arteta despite the obvious need - and from 43 points behind us in 2020 they closed the gap in 3 years to be ahead of us 2022/23 and again in 2023/24.
This happened after they dropped the self sustaining model and we continued with the buy to let. It culminated in the best manager around walking early.
“well run” hmm
So thats your assessment of the squad in September 2024.
And here's what you posted in January 2025.
https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?310133-Top6-spends-analysed-by-MV-13-14-onwards/page4Steveo*said:14th January 2025*08:56 PM
Plenty are laughing at Arteta again now - but it’s early days. Season at halfway. Nobody is hoping they flop more than me - seriously - NOBODY - but the reality come seasons end may be very different.
We needed to add to the squad in the summer - we haven’t - we need to add now or the second half of the season could have a painful sting in the tail
Your ringing endorsement of the squad and Slot..
And here's what you said about Slot a few days ago.
So those are direct quotes.Owners well aware of it. Went massive this summer because they know full well, Klopp's charisma and star which is still written across the club won't last forever. Slot's a great coach but he won't hold that together long.*He needs to be a super success on the pitch - like Paisley was,*and even then - players won't have that bond with him that they had with Jurgen. We have seen many already show a lack of loyalty.
Get used to it
And so far there's no answer, not 1 single example of the many already to show a lack of loyalty to Slot.
Its hilarious watching you quote Slot saying he picked his strongest 11 consistently,
And pretending this means Grav was in Klopps best 11.
When we look at who Slot played all the time, and who Klopp played all the time, Grav is not in boths best 11. Grav is in Slots best 11.
And not answering questions is your forte...
So please elaborate and give the names ratman
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