Match thread v Manchester City

[Crimson Dynasty]

So 22 of August almost an entire month after he is already signed for Bayern. Toilet paper... like I said.

I don't really care whether you think it's toilet paper or cardboard.
I told you he said it.
I quoted it and provided the source.
And now in an inability to deal with reality and having something proven to you, you've decided to attack the source.
In this case, Diaz himself (as those are his words).

Glad to see we've finally got to the point where you're essentially calling him a liar.

We took the scenic route, but we got there in the end.

And for the record, I don't think he cares what you think about what he said and why, either.

Maybe you are playing stupid but you are unable to supply anything that shows Diaz "wanted to leave" ... He didn't he decided to leave.. totally different AND we all know why.. He was never going to get the salary from F$G he was so obviously worthy of.

Oh and I never said he was pushed out either - this reads like an invented narrative to try and make your claim more valid.


Read Millers post

Someone's definitely playing stupid here.

Steveo: "Hey You! Prove that Luis Diaz wanted to leave.
(and don't ask me to prove that he left because he felt undervalued or pushed out - even though that's what I'm suggesting)"

(Quote provided with Luiz Diaz stating his reasons for wanting to joing Bayern and why he chose them. Nothing mentioned about salary demands not being met at LFC, or not being appreciated.)

Steveo :"Toilet Paper!!! Not worth anything!!!"

(So you're calling him a liar?)*

Steveo : "........"
: "SomethingSomething**FSG Suck*SomethingSomething"

Wash.
Rinse.
Repeat.

(*(Who knew that comments made after one joined Bayern automatically made them "toilet paper" and made the person stating them liars? Huh. You learn something new everyday.)

It's super succinct and is where it's at. No pushing out - just an issue over wages - and a massive blunder... that's it

Soooo.....Diaz wanted better wages ........and was in no way a "mercenary" looking out for himself and his career, is what you're saying?

Gee, if only there was some way to know some other possible reasons Diaz might have left LFC for Bayern for - beyond wages - that didn't make him seem like some greedy mercenary.

Oh well,.....

I guess we'll never know.

[Crimson Dynasty]

If you are stating that he chose to leave.. there is no argument.. He absolutely did choose that. Don't we all know that?

My own literal first comment on this. And everything else I've said or argued after has been to underline that fact.:-

You mean the one who wanted to leave us for a better team (.....and did)?

That one?

Thank you for admitting something I originally stated and which you're now confirming is an inarguable fact,..... I guess?

I also don't think he was in any way mercenary.. He simply was after a fair wage for his level and importance to the side and due to the club's wage structure he found himself out in the cold.

I didn't bring money or wages into this.
You all did.

So to the degree that anyone was or is suggesting that what he did was for mercenary reasons, it certainly wasn't me who wasn't talking about wages but only pointed to what Diaz himself said about why he left.

I also didn't deny that the wages situation probably played a part in that decision.
But,..."wanted to leave",......"chose to leave"....facts already confirmed now.
Which is what I orignally stated.

....

His quote to me at least is clear. He wants more money - the club wont budge.. he decides to leave.

We should have offered him more then we did.. That is all

Except for the part where he stated that he'd be "happy" to see the final two years of his contract even if contract negotiations failed - a quote that YOU provided:-

"....If they give us a good renewal or I stay there for two years, I'll be happy."

Ostensibly, also his own comments,.....
But I guess since we consider him a liar now we should probably take that with a wheelbarrow of salt.

[Steveo]

I don't really care whether you think it's toilet paper or cardboard.
I told you he said it.
I quoted it and provided the source.

And it is toilet paper. Garbage in fact - the timing - as everyone knows totally negates it of any meaning. Are you quite sane?

NO player arrives at a club saying "I'm only here because my old club wouldn't pay me the wages I am worth"

And now in an inability to deal with reality and having something proven to you, you've decided to attack the source.
In this case, Diaz himself (as those are his words).

Glad to see we've finally got to the point where you're essentially calling him a liar.

We took the scenic route, but we got there in the end.

And for the record, I don't think he cares what you think about what he said and why, either.

Sorry what has been "proven"... the words on why he came the new club he arrived after he arrived? DO we suppose that Ternt in 5 years arrives at say Aston Villa citing the move as something he really didnt want but has accepted as it's the only way he gets the salary he deems himself worthy of? CD the above is all based on your inability to accept reality. No player in history ever arrived at a new club saying I didn't want to be here.. Please show me one..


And once again - provide us with that quote. showing his initial intention to leave BEFORE his negotiations with us broke down... you can't because it does not exist..

Someone's definitely playing stupid here.

Steveo: "Hey You! Prove that Luis Diaz wanted to leave.
(and don't ask me to prove that he left because he felt undervalued or pushed out - even though that's what I'm suggesting)"

(Quote provided with Luiz Diaz stating his reasons for wanting to joing Bayern and why he chose them. Nothing mentioned about salary demands not being met at LFC, or not being appreciated.)

Steveo :"Toilet Paper!!! Not worth anything!!!"

(So you're calling him a liar?)*

Steveo : "........"
: "SomethingSomething**FSG Suck*SomethingSomething"

Wash.
Rinse.
Repeat.

(*(Who knew that comments made after one joined Bayern automatically made them "toilet paper" and made the person stating them liars? Huh. You learn something new everyday.)



Soooo.....Diaz wanted better wages ........and was in no way a "mercenary" looking out for himself and his career, is what you're saying?

Gee, if only there was some way to know some other possible reasons Diaz might have left LFC for Bayern for - beyond wages - that didn't make him seem like some greedy mercenary.

Oh well,.....

I guess we'll never know.

Oh yes... again - for the fella that keeps digging We are all wondering why Diaz doesn't say - you know what fuck it - I don't care. about my career or myslef..

And Steveo told you all the club was gearing us to accept the sale of Diaz this summer Steveo told you it was a massive mistake... It's turned out just swell hasn't it.


You are a special case CD -- you really are..

[justme]

Wasn't it Steveo who said Diaz wasn't the same player after the knee injury??


Anyway back on topic, Slot wasn't the only 1 who got it tactically wrong against City.. Jurgen did as well. Pep often played Silva deep in midfield and allowed him to dictate midfield and the movement of cities play.. We struggled to pick him today. And have previously..
Most teams need width to stretch the play and make the opposition move around more,We had none today.. It was never gonna work with Wirtz,. You cant play off someone like him.. he doesnt break play..he doesnt run.. if he does he loses the ball.. Sorry to keep mentioning him.. but his signing as not helped us at all.

[Steveo]

I think you’ll find almost everyone said he wasn’t the same player after the double knee injury and they would all almost universally be right. He only really started looking more like his pre injury self last season. IF you were watching that is…

[justme]

He is or pretty soon going to be 30 years old. Theres no way most teams would turn down 70 million pounds for someone whos also as 2 years left on their contract+ they were never going to give him more money. the money that he wanted that is. Not after they gave Salah and Virgil their contracts.

[Steveo]

We should have done 100%

[justme]

Whos to say he would have performed any better anyway? We seem to be in a daze at the moment.. You find with teams if its not clicking in 2/3 positions it impacts the whole team.. Thats why you often hear about teams being in form.. It comes and goes over a season.. Who knows how long our poor form will last. I would be personally happy with champions league qualification for this season..,Not easy to win consistently. we had a good spell last season.. and it won us the league. we just got to get back to winning and find a formula again.. Maybe too late for the league.. but lets just win games.

[Steveo]

Nobody can say that with certainty.

I think it’s more than just 2 or 3 positions though. That stat that we have lost 40% of our games all comps since exiting the CL to PSG is damning, It’s not just this season is it. That’s lots of games across both.

[jr81]

Whos to say he would have performed any better anyway? We seem to be in a daze at the moment.. You find with teams if its not clicking in 2/3 positions it impacts the whole team.. Thats why you often hear about teams being in form.. It comes and goes over a season.. Who knows how long our poor form will last. I would be personally happy with champions league qualification for this season..,Not easy to win consistently. we had a good spell last season.. and it won us the league. we just got to get back to winning and find a formula again.. Maybe too late for the league.. but lets just win games.

Let's just win some games is right. In theast 6 league games we have 3 points. Only wolves (2 points) have got less points than us. That's mental. After the international break we need to go on a run or slot could be in serious trouble.

[teesred]

That’s stat cannot be right though. I mean it’s sounds way to high

We'veost near 50% of our league games now and lost a fair few towards the end of last so it'll be correct I'd say.
Easy to forget that last few games. Despite the title being won it smacked of arrogance and complacency when fans were paying to watch.
Maybe that's where this rot started?
Sauntered to a title and thought it was going to be another cake walk.
I've mentioned it prior to today but I think there's a lazy arrogance about this squad and Slot.

[Steveo]

Yep - Just checked - it is right 28 games 11 losses FFS

50% of league games though.. must be close to a record for us in the top flight

[teesred]

You'd think so. If we had lost the Villa game it would have been a record broken since before Shankly arrived. That's how bad a run they're on.
I can't see this changing much in all truth. It'll be a case of beat Forest and then lose a couple etc,etc.
If you're going to be outworked most games you'll lose the majority of the time, doesn't matter how much ability is there. At this level small margins are everything.

[Nineteenx]

All on Slot and Hughes thryve made some absolutely astonishing decisions

You don’t bin of a 10 year successful system and way of playing based on a new managers pipe dream of playing football like Guardiola had to bin off because too many team were too good at pressing g and setting traps to win it and counter on them in this league

These fuckers need a history lesson that happened 6 years ago the muppets

If it ain’t broken don’t fix it

[teesred]

All on Slot and Hughes thryve made some absolutely astonishing decisions

You don’t bin of a 10 year successful system and way of playing based on a new managers pipe dream of playing football like Guardiola had to bin off because too many team were too good at pressing g and setting traps to win it and counter on them in this league

These fuckers need a history lesson that happened 6 years ago the muppets

If it ain’t broken don’t fix it

It's strange how we've just dropped pretty much everything that made us so good last season.
The biggest worry for me is the workrate. I know I keep banging on about it but how are the management not seeing this?
Even in the games we've won in some of them we've been damn lucky and outworked but scraped a win. You just can't keep doing that and it's not being addressed aside from a couple of games.

Neville kept saying we were leggy etc but I don't think so. City played midweek too. We just seemed happy to sit off them in that first half and we were second to absolutely everything. They ran rings around us at times and that first goal was probably the most infuriating we'll concede all season. Not one player got near one of theirs for a challenge and Nunes is given as much time and space as he fucking liked. Schoolboy shit.