Match Thread Liverpool V Sunderland.

[Steveo]

What's the solution? Assuming we can't either a) entice Jurgen back or b) somehow find another Jurgen-like manager? Spend another shit-tonne of cash? If these are the only two options, then neither are particularly sustainable.

With the players we have in the squad, we should be performing much, much better no-matter who the manager is.

There is no surefire solution. Imo the only way to make LFC a success under F$G, and without a Jurgen Klopp is to do as Arsenal fans did and apply serious pressure on the owners to commit to a far larger net spend. That low net spend was all that stood between us and 3 titles for Klopp and likely 2 CL trophies too.

AND - if anyone doubts that - watch Jurgen on Diary of a CEO... He was perfectly willing to fight with the handicap but he wanted more support and despite the fact he was super loyal to the club it is obvious from several comments he made while manager and since.

From just a few weeks ago..

Only the 2 stands Jurgen but still


August 30, 2022, during the final days of the summer transfer window.

At the time, Liverpool were facing a midfield injury crisis (with Thiago, Naby Keïta, and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain out), and Klopp was being pressed by journalists on whether the club would sign a reinforcement. He famously alluded to his frustration with the club's (FSG's) cautious financial model, admitting he wished he could take more risks in the market.


The specific quote was:

"Let me say it like this: from time to time I would be ready to risk a bit more, but I don't decide this and that's then fine."

Context & Meaning
The Situation: Liverpool had started the season poorly and were light on midfielders due to injuries. Fans and pundits were clamoring for a signing.

The "Risk": Klopp was suggesting that while the club prefers to only buy the "right" player (perfect fit, right age, right price), he personally would have been willing to "risk a bit more"—meaning potentially overpaying or signing a short-term "stop-gap" solution to help the team immediately.

The Outcome: Two days later, on deadline day (September 1, 2022), Liverpool signed Arthur Melo on loan from Juventus—a move that was widely seen as the "low risk" panic buy Klopp had hinted they might be forced into, though it ultimately didn't work out due to Arthur's own injury issues.


Klopp managed to work within this ludicrous framework of super tight constraints. We are doing what we actually agreed to do to get the club in the first place - rebuild the stadium BUT we are going to pay it ourt of revenue and you are going to have to compete while we do that.

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in. short and IMO

YOu say should we spend another "shit-tonne of cash?"

Are you falling for that BS? This summer we did yes - but even this summer Arsenal outspent us.. Think about that...We went big in panic because we stiffed the last guy for years and he still managed to get a team WAY WAY stronger than the sum of its parts.. By March of last season it was apparent that they had over achieved in being on course for the title while crashing out of the CL and falling at Wembley so obviously to the Toon FFS. Team was rinsed..

From here - F$G are going to have to mirror Kroenke. He came close to facing open revolt. The Arsenal fans simply refused to fall in line with the usual US ownership model. And they were right. Jurgen Klopp and his miraculous ability to get so much from players - simply masked an identical setup here. But many Liverpool fans are still in a trance.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/15/arsenal-fans-stan-kroenke-investment-vehicle

https://www.facebook.com/ArsenalNews360/posts/we-want-our-arsenal-back-the-season-is-over-for-the-team-but-not-for-the-fans-it/795595897993578/

https://arseblog.news/2019/07/arsenal-fans-unite-to-express-concern-over-kse/

[Red October]

In an ideal world we would have added isak and wirtz et al while keeping hold of diaz, Jota (had he been here) and trent. That's the way liverpool and top sides always have done it. That way you don't get the drop off in quality that we've seen maybe.

[CCTV]

There is no surefire solution. Imo the only way to make LFC a success under F$G, and without a Jurgen Klopp is to do as Arsenal fans did and apply serious pressure on the owners to commit to a far larger net spend. That low net spend was all that stood between us and 3 titles for Klopp and likely 2 CL trophies too.

AND - if anyone doubts that - watch Jurgen on Diary of a CEO... He was perfectly willing to fight with the handicap but he wanted more support and despite the fact he was super loyal to the club it is obvious from several comments he made while manager and since.

From just a few weeks ago..

Only the 2 stands Jurgen but still


August 30, 2022, during the final days of the summer transfer window.

At the time, Liverpool were facing a midfield injury crisis (with Thiago, Naby Keïta, and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain out), and Klopp was being pressed by journalists on whether the club would sign a reinforcement. He famously alluded to his frustration with the club's (FSG's) cautious financial model, admitting he wished he could take more risks in the market.


The specific quote was:

"Let me say it like this: from time to time I would be ready to risk a bit more, but I don't decide this and that's then fine."

Context & Meaning
The Situation: Liverpool had started the season poorly and were light on midfielders due to injuries. Fans and pundits were clamoring for a signing.

The "Risk": Klopp was suggesting that while the club prefers to only buy the "right" player (perfect fit, right age, right price), he personally would have been willing to "risk a bit more"—meaning potentially overpaying or signing a short-term "stop-gap" solution to help the team immediately.

The Outcome: Two days later, on deadline day (September 1, 2022), Liverpool signed Arthur Melo on loan from Juventus—a move that was widely seen as the "low risk" panic buy Klopp had hinted they might be forced into, though it ultimately didn't work out due to Arthur's own injury issues.


Klopp managed to work within this ludicrous framework of super tight constraints. We are doing what we actually agreed to do to get the club in the first place - rebuild the stadium BUT we are going to pay it ourt of revenue and you are going to have to compete while we do that.

__________________________________________________

in. short and IMO

YOu say should we spend another "shit-tonne of cash?"

Are you falling for that BS? This summer we did yes - but even this summer Arsenal outspent us.. Think about that...We went big in panic because we stiffed the last guy for years and he still managed to get a team WAY WAY stronger than the sum of its parts.. By March of last season it was apparent that they had over achieved in being on course for the title while crashing out of the CL and falling at Wembley so obviously to the Toon FFS. Team was rinsed..

From here - F$G are going to have to mirror Kroenke. He came close to facing open revolt. The Arsenal fans simply refused to fall in line with the usual US ownership model. And they were right. Jurgen Klopp and his miraculous ability to get so much from players - simply masked an identical setup here. But many Liverpool fans are still in a trance.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/15/arsenal-fans-stan-kroenke-investment-vehicle

https://www.facebook.com/ArsenalNews360/posts/we-want-our-arsenal-back-the-season-is-over-for-the-team-but-not-for-the-fans-it/795595897993578/

https://arseblog.news/2019/07/arsenal-fans-unite-to-express-concern-over-kse/

You're worse than the bbc/sly/sun

Glad you've found a new yank love ❤️

That'll be big spending Glazers, Kroenke & Toddy breaking the US model.

[Kev0909]

Jesus he's at it again, has he got what 19x has got? some obsessive disorder?

It's ok mate, I know life is tough right now

we're here for you, unlike arne slot.

[Red October]

Jesus he's at it again, has he got what 19x has got? some obsessive disorder?

It's ok mate, I know life is tough right now

we're here for you, unlike arne slot.

I think he's hearing a voice like "false one that Steveo a tricksy one". ;-)

[Steveo]

I think he's hearing a voice like "false one that Steveo a tricksy one". ;-)

Spot on… 😜

[Steveo]

but it’s deeper - the geezer is a 22 carat shill. Never wanted to credit Klopp for all the plate spinning always the first to support the Season ticket price hiking / - ESL loving profiteers who stiffed Jurgen for years.

[JockStrap]

If we're saying that the only way we can be successful is to have a Jurgen Klopp like manager then we may as well pack up and all go home. There haven't been and aren't many Jurgen Klopps in world football so we're probably going to be struggling to find another one.

We won a small trophy last season without Klopp.

[CCTV]

but it’s deeper - the geezer is a 22 carat shill. Never wanted to credit Klopp for all the plate spinning always the first to support the Season ticket price hiking / - ESL loving profiteers who stiffed Jurgen for years.

I've defended Klopp from your ArtetaFamTV posts.
I've defended Klopp from your Poch-cfc assertions.
I've defended Klopp from your spurs assertions.

I've critiqued citaues cheating which you marginalise at every turn. And you jump on criticism of cituae with accusations of Islamophobia you big islamophile.

Ive defended Klopp from your assertions he ran players in to the ground.

The ESL was a better format for football than this joke of a competition we have now.

I've consistently called for games to be freeview. Given figures for revenue with freeview football.

And I've critiqued how matchday ticket prices have increased in line with broadcast revenue.

Ive defended Klopps outlook on football against yours and g.nevs outlook.

https://tomkinstimes.com/2015/11/klopp-reversing-the-laws-of-gravity/

[Steveo]

Why would anyone need to defend Klopp from my assertions... when I am overwhelmingly Klopp's biggest fan...?

This is common knowledge on this forum too.. so much so I have been continually told off for citing his miracle worker status. So CCTV instead of being Henry's GIMP try and stick to reality and avoid your own illusions (being kind) or deliberate subversion of truth.

Cities cheating is a direct result of everything I have described as wrong with the modern game. The Islamophobia you refer to is simply revealed by so many useful idiots lack of ability to join the dots. Gulf petrodollar states can be here and act with near impunity to FACILITATE the US takeover of the league. Something you cannot be too obtuse to have noticed in parallel. Trojan horse

In summary:
I am saying US owners aren't the "good guys" saving football from the "bad states." They have bought up almost the entire league...They are business partners. US owners provide the Western-friendly face to bypass regulation, and the Gulf states provide the capital liquidity. It is a symbiotic relationship, not a rivalry.

As for the ESL... that's for someone who has - to date - never seen a ball kicked in anger at the home ground of the team he professes to "support" to defend.. Fill your boots..


CCTV you have consistently tried to blur the lines on any debate - which is why you are a waste of time.

Go polish the GIMP suit

[CCTV]

You refused the validity of the term Irish race, and said in English it had no meaning.

I gave you a direct quote from Churchill using the exact term, and you refused it still.

As said you have no integrity, no substance.

You can be shown to be wrong, and refuse to accept it.

I see gimp, gimp suit, and fsg fan boi, it is, as you have no integrity, or substance, just a list of smears and lies

[Steveo]

It has no meaning at all you GIMP:

2 things…

1. Churchill came from an era of 'Scientific Racism' and Imperialism. In that time, the British elite frequently referred to the Irish as a separate 'race' (Celts) to distinguish them from the 'superior' Anglo-Saxons. It was a political tool used to justify colonization and the idea that the Irish needed 'civilizing.' Just because they called it a race back then doesn't make it a biological fact today. They also used to measure skull shapes (phrenology) to prove intelligence—are you going to bring that back too?

2. The Reality: The Irish are an Ethnicity (shared culture, history, language), not a Race. Biologically, they fall under the same broad racial category as the British. There is no distinct 'Irish gene' that separates them as a subspecies from the rest of Northern Europe.

Using 100-year-old rhetoric to argue against modern science is desperate. The Irish were racialized by people like Churchill for political control, but that doesn't mean they are a race. Try reading a biology textbook from this century."

Disconnect the internet for heavens sake.

[CCTV]

It has no meaning at all you GIMP:

2 things…

1. Churchill came from an era of 'Scientific Racism' and Imperialism. In that time, the British elite frequently referred to the Irish as a separate 'race' (Celts) to distinguish them from the 'superior' Anglo-Saxons. It was a political tool used to justify colonization and the idea that the Irish needed 'civilizing.' Just because they called it a race back then doesn't make it a biological fact today. They also used to measure skull shapes (phrenology) to prove intelligence—are you going to bring that back too?

2. The Reality: The Irish are an Ethnicity (shared culture, history, language), not a Race. Biologically, they fall under the same broad racial category as the British. There is no distinct 'Irish gene' that separates them as a subspecies from the rest of Northern Europe.

Using 100-year-old rhetoric to argue against modern science is desperate. The Irish were racialized by people like Churchill for political control, but that doesn't mean they are a race. Try reading a biology textbook from this century."

Disconnect the internet for heavens sake.

Oh dear. You dont seem to know your biology at all.

There is no race genome.

Racial groups are distinct on the biological level by the occurrence of genetic clusters.

At the biological level Irish and English people are distinct. You can tell them apart by the occurrence of genetic clusters. And this manifests in variations of predispositions to certain conditions.

You & CD both stated that justme use of german race was wrong. Ye both knew exactly what he meant, and both refused Churchills use of the term in English. Having said it only mattered what was in the English language, not in other cultures or languages.

Science studies the world. Classification is a philosophical matter. In other languages skin colour is not a category of distinction.

[CCTV]

Its funny how Irish people became white when the eugencits of western Europe moved to their new eugenics disaster.

[Steveo]

The absolute state of this post. You’ve had a nightmare here.

1. "Clusters" aren't Race, you melt. You’re waffling. Just because you can find "genetic clusters" doesn't mean they are different races. You can find genetic clusters distinguishing someone from Liverpool and someone from Manchester if you zoom in enough. Does that make Scousers a different biological race to Mancs? Give your head a wobble. It’s called ancestry/population structure, not race.

2. The English vs. Irish bit You're acting like they're different species. The genetic overlap is massive. It’s a gradient, not a hard border. Trying to claim they are "biologically distinct races" because of tiny differences in frequency is clutching at straws. The variation within England is bigger than the difference between England and Ireland.

3. The Churchill tactic This is a massive own goal. Quoting a politician from the 1940s to explain 2024 DNA science? Serious? He used "race" to mean "nationality" because that's how people spoke 80 years ago. He wasn't a geneticist. Using him to define biology today is like using a 1920s map to navigate London.

Science didn't drop race because of "philosophy," it dropped it because the data proved it was a rubbish, inaccurate way to categorise humans.

Disconnect before it's too late..