Harvey

[Kev0909]

What exactly has Florian Wirtz brought the party that Harvey Elliott couldn’t have done?

Asking for a friend….

Yeah but that's like saying

What's Isak brought to the party.... that nunez couldn't ?

[redgold]

Both Elliot and Jones Curtis should be guaranteed second half subs or rotation starters for less important games. That should be about their level for us.

[miller0863]

Not really the same but I get the analogy.

No one person is constantly trying to big up Isak’s performances for one and two how many minutes has Wirtz had v Isak??

Nunez had plenty of spells with Isak levels of contribution whereas, Elliott never had the run of games Wirtz has had.

[miller0863]

And Curtis Jones redgold??

Behave he has been our second best midfielder this season, after Szoboszlai.

[Steveo]

And Curtis Jones redgold??

Behave he has been our second best midfielder this season, after Szoboszlai.

Agreed - he’s gone way under the radar with so many fans. Rivalled Hugo for MOTM and has been streets ahead of Grav or Macca this season

[Nineteenx]

Elliot tip of diamond.

We’ve got 3-4 better than him who can all play 10

[Ravo19]

We’ve got 3-4 better than him who can all play 10

Have we?
Always said id like to give elliot a go in that position,nothing wrong with giving him a go there.

[Martyboy]

Elliott simply isn't good or physically big/strong enough at the very top level for me....A squad/league cup player at best...Like others have said Villa don't want him why should we??...

[Insidious]

Elliott simply isn't good or physically big/strong enough at the very top level for me....A squad/league cup player at best...Like others have said Villa don't want him why should we??...

Depth, until such times as we can "raise the floor" via transfer activity.

If Elliott can give 15-20 minutes on a semi-regular basis to ease the pressure on certain players depending on their role on the day (Szob, Jones, Wirtz, Salah, whoever) rather than allowing certain players to dip into the "red zone" of injury risk towards the end of games then I won't shun it, much as I feel we do need to continue to strive to continually improve.

[Red October]

Depth, until such times as we can "raise the floor" via transfer activity.

If Elliott can give 15-20 minutes on a semi-regular basis to ease the pressure on certain players depending on their role on the day (Szob, Jones, Wirtz, Salah, whoever) rather than allowing certain players to dip into the "red zone" of injury risk towards the end of games then I won't shun it, much as I feel we do need to continue to strive to continually improve.

Yeah. I would agree with that. If there's one thing we've suffered this season it's looking to the bench and just not having many options especially in certain positions. Harvey is decent. Don't want to see someone like Szobo run into the ground as he's played probably nearly every minute this season so far. We need some options from the bench. The new players have either struggled physically a la Wirtz and Kerkez or been out injured a la Frimpong so we need more. Probably got rid of too many in the summer.

[Insidious]

Yeah. I would agree with that. If there's one thing we've suffered this season it's looking to the bench and just not having many options especially in certain positions. Harvey is decent. Don't want to see someone like Szobo run into the ground as he's played probably nearly every minute this season so far. We need some options from the bench. The new players have either struggled physically a la Wirtz and Kerkez or been out injured a la Frimpong so we need more. Probably got rid of too many in the summer.

I also think (if Harvey does come back into the fold) his capacity to offer a rotation option or minutes in the closing stages of games would be all the more valuable given that we might have four midfield-profile players on the pitch at once.

If Gravenberch, Mac Allister, Szoboszlai and one of Jones or Wirtz are one the pitch simultaneously on any regular basis (4 rather than 3) then the burnout risks become all the greater, especially if one of them picks up an injury.

Before it would have been Grav, Mac and Szob play, while Endo, Jones and Harv provide depth, 3-for-3.

If we play the Diamond, or something akin to the Diamond (Carra quipped about a "Pentagon" recently) then less players are getting breaks in the midfield, which looks the part of the pitch that will make or break our success at this current time.

[Red October]

Yes. We've already seen this season the impact of Mac not being at it. That's one of our key trio. It's also had a huge impact on the defence since they're under more pressure. If we lost Grav or Szobo then we can kiss top 4 goodbye.

[shminkyred]

Jurgen only said that he was hoping Elliot would play more with the new manager after he left. Thankfully Slot stuck mostly to the same squad last season,and it bore fruit.. I like Elliot as a person. and he may add a little fire when he comes back which he will. cause no other big club will take him and i doubt he would settle for a middle of the road team.. But over all hes not up to the standards of what we need at our club. That may appear harsh but thats how things are. we see the pressure everyone is under right now. so its not just Elliot whos being treated like this.

Is it possible thats because injuries have hampered his development and dropping him down the pecking order?

I remember the first few games of that season klopp properly intergrated him into the team ( please insert date forum historians) then he got an injury and was out for most of the season)

I think it really hard for youngsters who get big injuries at this football club......we don't need to wait for them to recover, we always have a quality option and they miss their chance.

[Steveo]

He had that horrible dislocation - right on the cusp of his career taking off. We will never know what levels he may have attained but for that.

Sadly this is the career of a footballer. Luck - as with managers - plays a huge part