Pick your owners

[JockStrap]

Given the constant talk of FSG not being good enough let's have a discussion on alternatives. You get to choose any other owners in the Premier League to replace them. Who are you picking and why?

18 options seems to be the maximum in a poll so I've dropped Burnley and Wolves. If any of you want their owners it's

Burlney - Alan Pace - US
Wolves - Fosun International - Chiina

Where multiple owners are listed for a club I've picked the owner with the highest share holding.

[Kev0909]

Not just about them though

Pick your transfer & scouting team

Pick your youth setup & prospects

Much much more to everything, but all comes from the top.

Pick your set piece coach.. (lol)

if the club was run well lately, we wouldn't have gone from 1st to 6th with issues that are obvious.

[JockStrap]

Come on Kev, press that FSG option. You know you want to

[JockStrap]

Don't be shy people. All of you calling for F$G Out now have a chance to tell us who you would prefer.

[JockStrap]

More whining about the owners in another thread but no credible alternative put forward.

It's right to assume that FSG are indeed the best owners we could have at this time.

[CCTV]

Klopps vision of how a football club should be run, matches up well with FSGs.

https://tomkinstimes.com/2015/11/klopp-reversing-the-laws-of-gravity/

I think they are reasonably good owners.

Since taking over they've nearly won 5 or 6 PL titles. Won 1 under Klopp. Won1 under Slot.

(All title lost to 115 Citaue protected by Islamophiles)

Could have won 1 under Rodgers.
Could have won 3 more under Klopp 18/19, 21/22 & 23/24.

Who knows what benefit that might have brought to Klopp in Europe.

Klopp won 1 CL title.
Probably too much of a gap between the squads, when Ramos concussed Karius and took out Salahs shoulder.
But in 21/22 the sides were more evenly balanced.

If we accept Cituae 115 are the lance Armstrong of football, it is arguably the case that Klopps 18/19 to 19/20 are the best team in PL era.

That aside, the club has had decent success under their tutelage, and the capacity at Anfield has surpassed 60k. Facilities improved and annual revenue up significantly.

You can put it all down to Klopp, but Klopp chose LFC under FSGs tutelage as their vision of football aligns with his own.

If UK fans ever want the German model of fan football, then those fans who fork up the capital to buy a 50% share of the club, do not want to be forking out 100s of pounds a year on transfers and spending.

Similarly, if fans want to control ticket prices, they cannot want massive spending.
As although I've argued matchday tickets should be decoupled from wider inflation in football like tv revenue inflation, ticket prices increasing will always need to linked to some of the massive spends in PL football.

Overall decent owners, with a good structure in place for the clubs finances.

[CCTV]

I'll pick FSG,
though I have presented a means of assessing football spending and have been impressed with Villa under Emery & Brighton for example.

Albeit I've no idea if these are yank or Chinese or Saudi owners etc.

I see Brighton are English owned - I like that

And I see Villa are Egypt/US owned.

It's a pity the poll ain't public. I voted FSG, guess Jocky did too, and I wonder did Kev0 pick Everton

[JockStrap]

I did check the option to make it public but it didn't work for some reason.

[JockStrap]

If we accept Cituae 115 are the lance Armstrong of football, it is arguably the case that Klopps 18/19 to 19/20 are the best team in PL era.

Yea. It always felt that ill-informed fans were looking at the wrong people to apportion blame. Constant moaning about FSG not supporting Klopp enough. The reality is the only thing that stopped Klopp from winning more titles was City cheating.

[CCTV]

Yea. It always felt that ill-informed fans were looking at the wrong people to apportion blame. Constant moaning about FSG not supporting Klopp enough. The reality is the only thing that stopped Klopp from winning more titles was City cheating.

Can't underestimate the G.Nev take on spending influence. Braindead.

Emery Villa 22/23 to 23/34
€125.09 mill net spent & 151 cent gained per euro.

Rodgers 12/13 to Post-Summer of 15/16
€173.86 mill net spent & 2.4 cent gained per euro.

Thats some analysis I provided. Those were the extreme ends, including others.

To put it in a simple context, to add €100 million net in players from net spending, you'd need to give:

Emery €66.2 Million
&
Rodgers €4.167 Billion

*based on the data above

From Transfermarkt & CCTV

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?311530-Transfer-spening-and-footy-finances&p=2886386#post2886386

[Insidious]

Yea. It always felt that ill-informed fans were looking at the wrong people to apportion blame. Constant moaning about FSG not supporting Klopp enough. The reality is the only thing that stopped Klopp from winning more titles was City cheating.

Think there's a fair amount of funding (something like £63m per year) of salaries that Man City pay that gets declared by some (UEFA) but not others (EPL) perhaps due to UEFA including the portion of the salaries that run through City Groups.

More accurate reflection of the operational costs and should impact calculations on PSR - yet we are often told that Liverpool have the highest wage bill....

Anyway - couldn't agree more wholeheartedly. Any time I think of comparing our clubs to cyclists, I essentially hear "LFC would have won more if we had provided an extra water bottle with electrolytes" while Man City continues to juice up.

They've massively impacted the game via cheating and as well as the selfish problem with it we have (being denied titles) there's all the sides that missed out on Europe by one spot in the League, or missed out on remaining in the Division by one spot - a spot taken up by a club that shouldn't be in the League as far as I'm concerned.

[CCTV]

Can't underestimate the G.Nev take on spending influence. Braindead.

Emery Villa 22/23 to 23/34
€125.09 mill net spent & 151 cent gained per euro.

Rodgers 12/13 to Post-Summer of 15/16
€173.86 mill net spent & 2.4 cent gained per euro.

Thats some analysis I provided. Those were the extreme ends, including others.

To put it in a simple context, to add €100 million net in players from net spending, you'd need to give:

Emery €66.2 Million
&
Rodgers €4.167 Billion

*based on the data above

From Transfermarkt & CCTV

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?311530-Transfer-spening-and-footy-finances&p=2886386#post2886386

To fill it out a bit more..

Klopp 16/17 to 19/20
€93.35 mill net & 87.4 cent gained per euro.

Slot 24/25 to 25/26
€258.4 mill net & 82.8 cent gained per euro.

Klopp 20/21 to 23/24
€303.85 mill net & 59 cent gained per euro.

Areta 20/21 to 23/24
€531.35 mill net & 54 cent gained per euro.

Same as above, to add €100 mill net in players..

Klopp 16/17 to 19/20
€114.4 million

Slot 24/25 to 25/26
€120.8 million

Klopp 20/21 to 23/24
€169.5 million

Areta 20/21 to 23/24
€185.2 million

Not a great reflection on BillionR !!

[Kev0909]

Not really arsed about anyone else, just feel like they could do more, maybe last summer was a start, but maybe if they spent a bit more before that we wouldn't have been in the situation we found ourself in this season.

and we're still short on numbers- and this has been the case for a while in certain areas, under Klopp too.

that's just my arguement other teams don't have the same problems, and that's why they're above us.

For what it's worth think everton have done pretty well just because of the new stadium, not doing bad at all considering,size/wealth, a new complete stadium nothing to laugh about, fair play, think it's done a lot of good for the city and the surrounding area too.

Don't think a mourinho type manager would win anything under FSG, which is why Klopp gets loads of credit, not just the first league title in so long but not exactly splashed out like others, and our squad lacked compared to others imo, very very good signings with Coutinho mane salah etc... that was the difference, and Klopp.

[JockStrap]

A US billionaire taking over a Premier League team with the following vision

The Friedkin Group has outlined a vision for a "sustainable and successful" future

How is that any different from FSG?

I just found out they've owned Roma too since 2020.

[Kev0909]

Difference is we're one the biggest clubs in the world

Been hearing people bang on about record revenues over recent history- where was the money when we needed X Y Z over the years? arsenal sort it, even utd sort it to a degree now at least, city obviously, look at january.

£800million that stadium ok yes, I know it's not like the owners have splashed out 800m but still, commitment and investing

we had to sign Kabak on loan....

not saying they're terrible owners, but lets not forget we're one of the biggest teams in the world.... left very short at times, when we was begging for additions- compare that to other top clubs....

we should, and could've won more over the last 6-8 years or so, but in my eyes anyway lack of investment in areas we really needed additions or to improve on when we had one of the best forward lines in the world, a little wasted I think.

Look at the washed midfield we had, no additions... we acted eventually but we wasted a season because we was too late, again, we don't do things forward thinking or one step forward in my opinion, but i've stated my views about it all, not going to post the same 100 times like a certain other person.