Slot To Be Fired?

[Insidious]

Am i wrong in feeling that almost anyone would be better than slot?

Would be interesting to hear people's shortlists, assuming Klopp and most likely Enrique aren't coming here.

Hoeneß, Fabregas and Farioli all tick certain boxes for me - but all 3 are lads I would like to see in one more job first in an ideal situation.

Saying that, if we appointed any of the 3 of them this Summer, I'd be pretty happy.

It's a shame that Slot has shown himself unable to produce what he managed with Feyenoord, or replicate last season - and the lack of cohesion with the previous rendition of Liverpool when it comes recruitment was troubling.

[jozza800]

Would be interesting to hear people's shortlists, assuming Klopp and most likely Enrique aren't coming here.

Hoeneß, Fabregas and Farioli all tick certain boxes for me - but all 3 are lads I would like to see in one more job first in an ideal situation.

Saying that, if we appointed any of the 3 of them this Summer, I'd be pretty happy.

It's a shame that Slot has shown himself unable to produce what he managed with Feyenoord, or replicate last season - and the lack of cohesion with the previous rendition of Liverpool when it comes recruitment was troubling.

We'll see an immidiate improvement with anyone who doesn't push his defensive midfielders into attacking positions at every opportunity.

On more than one occasion vs Villa there were momemts where MacAlister was pressing the keeper and Grav following up on the centre half. Both were the furthest players forward when the opposition had the ball in their own box. Absolutely mental.

[Steveo]

Actually admired slot last season,always going to be hard stepping into klopps shoes but thought slot got it spot in.
He didnt hit transfer market,he stuck with what worked,letting players get used to him not stirring things up and went with the flow but then he allowed "winning it with klopps side" to get in his head,got shut of players who where what liverpool was about nunez,elliot,got players in for his change of formation which had a knock on effect on players he had.
Macallistair was noted as being slow when he arrived and not suited to a 6,looked like wirtz would force sozbo out and started trying to squeeze him in to team.
I like ekitikie and no problem with going for isak but should have kept nunez and gone for replacement for diaz instead of ekitikie.

I think this is very charitable. He had no choice. Was told by his masters there would be no changes to the squad. Also he had the team rallied and pumped to go again by the master who left his post early. Don't forget that was Klopp 2.0 in it's second season and no injuries. AND how unique and fortunate was Arne..? Serenaded by Klopp - Given his own song... Nah nah nah nah nah...to the Kop and the other 3 stands...This is why the team stuck together and with the coach for the next 7-8 months. The connection between manager - players and fans - was put there by the great German. Slot barely did a thing.

It seems clear - at least at this moment in time - that what looked like a brilliant tweak - to preserve injuries and take the foot off just a touch - was simply the slow machine change in style and intensity from Heavy Metal to the clown trousers - that emerged at the back end of last season and grew into this one.

[Steveo]

We'll see an immidiate improvement with anyone who doesn't push his defensive midfielders into attacking positions at every opportunity.

On more than one occasion vs Villa there were momemts where MacAlister was pressing the keeper and Grav following up on the centre half. Both were the furthest players forward when the opposition had the ball in their own box. Absolutely mental.

Why don't you apply jozza..? Seriously - it seems so simple to fix....



...Or maybe we pull in Roy Evans?

[jozza800]

Why don't you apply jozza..? Seriously - it seems so simple to fix....



...Or maybe we pull in Roy Evans?

I'm busy Steveo.

[Steveo]

I'm busy Steveo.

I was joking as you know.. But seriously...

In my tiny brain I see why they created this new setup. Out of panic to try and cover all the work Jurgen did - they have made 3 roles. 2 of them get in the way of the one that counts. THIS is why Xabi aint coming. This is why we are likely to be as middling or worse than we were under Brendan. Qualified for the CL season - almost - and purely by luck

[jozza800]

Why don't you apply jozza..? Seriously - it seems so simple to fix....



...Or maybe we pull in Roy Evans?

Not keen on the Allcott fellow, but the other lad picks up on a lot of the tactical issues that we currently have.

[teesred]

There's an article on the BBC with a quote from Rory Smith who says he knows/thinks they didn't go for Alonso because of fear he'd yield too much power through bring a fan favourite. FFS.
Obviously a pre-requisite for the job.

[Crimson Dynasty]

There's an article on the BBC with a quote from Rory Smith who says he knows/thinks they didn't go for Alonso because of fear he'd yield too much power through bring a fan favourite. FFS.
Obviously a pre-requisite for the job.

There's been lots of rationalizations for why they apparently didn't hire him and all of them seem to make sense to me except the one that that club is seemingly pushing.


There's the one you just mentioned which obviously makes sense when you consider how they rejected the opportunity to hire Kenny for a second stint when he took over on an interim basis after they got rid of Hodgson, but they had their minds set on hiring Rodgers.
Kenny would have held too much weight and power with the fans given his legacy in this club and despite the fact he won us our first silverware that season since the Rafa era with the League Cup, there was no chance they were ever going to give him the role on a permanent basis.

And there's the other reason that's been suggested they didn't want to hire him was that he wasn't willing to work under the a similar setup he had at Madrid where he had less power than he felt he needed to run the team as he saw fit - hence the reason he insisted on being 'manager' rather than 'head coach' at Chelsea - and obviously that wouldn't fly here with Hughes and Edwards.

I've also hear another reason they didn't even bother giving him an interview for the job, let alone consider him was because there was (is) still a grudge being held from him turning us down the first time they went to him to come in after Klopp announced his retirement, and he instead chose to remain at Leverkusen another year in the hopes that the Madrid job would open up - which it did.
Apparently some in the board have never forgiven him for that, and while I think it would be indescribably petty and childish, I honestly wouldn't put it past the folks who run this club to be like that.

And then of course there's the reason we've heard a lot of in the press and the media which is that they didn't feel his style of football (specifically with the 3 at the back) would work for what we're looking for here.
Which.......on the surface seems to make sense.....if only from the perspective that we don't have a team built to play like that in terms of the player personnel you need to make it work (another CB and really a healthy stable of CB's to rotate from, which we clearly don't have with Gio out injured, Gomez headed out and Konate's dodgy form and Virg's drop in form).
Also the fact that there's legitimate questions as to whether that style would be successful in the Premier league.

However.....they never even bothered to talk to him at all to try to see if they could address some of these concerns or even to check if there could be some flexibility on his part to adapt his style to fit the Premier League or the players we have (of whom I should note, we have two of his former Leverkusen players already playing here).

I personally think it all ultimately came down to a reason that's already been noted elsewhere in this thread.

They wanted (want) a 'Yes' man.

End of story.
Xabi's not that and not willing to be that as his stint at Madrid shows and as his terms to Chelsea prove.

They want a 'Slot-style' yes-man who will carry the board's/Hughes and Edwards' water and take the hits for them when things go wrong.

[Steveo]

There's an article on the BBC with a quote from Rory Smith who says he knows/thinks they didn't go for Alonso because of fear he'd yield too much power through bring a fan favourite. FFS.
Obviously a pre-requisite for the job.

They don’t want that connection between the manager and the fans - because they want control over their buy to let.

Don’t ever forget who and what they are. We won the big titles because of Jurgen Klopp and despite them. Their goal is a cash cow - one that requires zero investment

[teesred]

There's been lots of rationalizations for why they apparently didn't hire him and all of them seem to make sense to me except the one that that club is seemingly pushing.


There's the one you just mentioned which obviously makes sense when you consider how they rejected the opportunity to hire Kenny for a second stint when he took over on an interim basis after they got rid of Hodgson, but they had their minds set on hiring Rodgers.
Kenny would have held too much weight and power with the fans given his legacy in this club and despite the fact he won us our first silverware that season since the Rafa era with the League Cup, there was no chance they were ever going to give him the role on a permanent basis.

And there's the other reason that's been suggested they didn't want to hire him was that he wasn't willing to work under the a similar setup he had at Madrid where he had less power than he felt he needed to run the team as he saw fit - hence the reason he insisted on being 'manager' rather than 'head coach' at Chelsea - and obviously that wouldn't fly here with Hughes and Edwards.

I've also hear another reason they didn't even bother giving him an interview for the job, let alone consider him was because there was (is) still a grudge being held from him turning us down the first time they went to him to come in after Klopp announced his retirement, and he instead chose to remain at Leverkusen another year in the hopes that the Madrid job would open up - which it did.
Apparently some in the board have never forgiven him for that, and while I think it would be indescribably petty and childish, I honestly wouldn't put it past the folks who run this club to be like that.

And then of course there's the reason we've heard a lot of in the press and the media which is that they didn't feel his style of football (specifically with the 3 at the back) would work for what we're looking for here.
Which.......on the surface seems to make sense.....if only from the perspective that we don't have a team built to play like that in terms of the player personnel you need to make it work (another CB and really a healthy stable of CB's to rotate from, which we clearly don't have with Gio out injured, Gomez headed out and Konate's dodgy form and Virg's drop in form).
Also the fact that there's legitimate questions as to whether that style would be successful in the Premier league.

However.....they never even bothered to talk to him at all to try to see if they could address some of these concerns or even to check if there could be some flexibility on his part to adapt his style to fit the Premier League or the players we have (of whom I should note, we have two of his former Leverkusen players already playing here).

I personally think it all ultimately came down to a reason that's already been noted elsewhere in this thread.

They wanted (want) a 'Yes' man.

End of story.
Xabi's not that and not willing to be that as his stint at Madrid shows and as his terms to Chelsea prove.

They want a 'Slot-style' yes-man who will carry the board's/Hughes and Edwards' water and take the hits for them when things go wrong.

All seems likely reasons. The three at the back and our lack of personnel was always a reason I thought it was a long shot
If that point about "never forgiving him" for rejecting us two years ago is true it just shows how pathetic the situation is at the top.
Totally agree on the "yes man" issue. Personally I like the way Hurzeler has set Brighton up but he certainly seems like a guy who wouldn't be a yes man. He hasn't been linked with us but Glasner is the same.
Quite strange that Enrique is the bookies favourite, he also would be someone I'd imagine would want control over the team.

I do think ( and obviously hope I'm very wrong on this) but we could be set for a turbulent spell. Hopefully not as bad as Utd,Chelsea etc but who knows. Football is becoming like politics.

[Lenouis]

What’s with all the essays around ‘not offering the managers job to Alonso’?

The owners are clearly not interested in replacing Slot. They either do not want to pay him off or like the fact that he’s agreed a shoestring budget, or both. Slot will have accepted absolutely any terms for remaining in the position and that would have sat just fine with the owners.

[toshin]

Sorry but why the fuck do we keep talking about Enrique?

Hes currently with a club where he has financial and personal backing.
A young hungry team playing the most attacking, attractive football in the world.

Maybe hes a masochist because thats the only reason hed do the swap right now.

[Insidious]

Not keen on the Allcott fellow, but the other lad picks up on a lot of the tactical issues that we currently have.

I can see by the thumbnail that's Josh Williams, though he has massively changed his hair - he wrote the book "Data Game: The Story of Liverpool FC's Analytics Revolution" and used to write for Reach for about 5 years.

Generally speaking when I see/read his stuff I like it a lot. Views don't 100% overlap or anything like that but I think all of us have that one pundit or journo or analyst where we think "they're the closest representation of how I feel about X/Y/Z" and he's probably been mine for the last 6/7 years.

I might give that a watch if I get the time. Life's mad at the moment.

[Steveo]

Sorry but why the fuck do we keep talking about Enrique?

Hes currently with a club where he has financial and personal backing.
A young hungry team playing the most attacking, attractive football in the world.

Maybe hes a masochist because thats the only reason hed do the swap right now.

Right on the button.