Who would you vote for?

[redebreck]

There's going to be a General Election before very long, and I was thinking about the Labour and Conservative Parties and their prospects.

Conservatives - in a right mess, with a serial womaniser one of the favourites to become their leader.

Labour - Corbyn, a terrorist sympathiser.

We all know from past experience how much the Conservatives think of the working population.
Trouble is, would Labour be any better?

The UK is in a mess.
Thoughts, anyone?

[stevie harkness]

The UK is in a mess alright, even without Brexit

I'm surprised Corbyn hasn't taken more advantage of the current situation, although his party has its own problems. Thought he would do better. Don't think he's trusted enough despite being up against that shower in blue.

Conservative leadership contest is a joke, so much media coverage for an internal matter we voters have no say in. They're taking the piss but most don't realize it. Their party don't seem a happy family either, back stabbing bastards.

The Liberal Democrats seem to be gaining slightly more favour just by shutting the fuck up but it won't be enough.

So, to sum up, the future is bleak.

Who would I vote for? As usual the best candidate for the constituency I'm in at the time. Not that it will make much difference on a national level but that's democracy

[skyebo]

No-one, they will never live in our world, or know what it's like to struggle. They are all cut from the same cloth.

[Balinkay]

No-one, they will never live in our world, or know what it's like to struggle. They are all cut from the same cloth.

Revolution comrade! We have nothing to lose but our chains!

[Martyboy]

No-one, they will never live in our world, or know what it's like to struggle. They are all cut from the same cloth.

Spot on!...Labour always win the Torfaen seat where I am in Wales but I'd never vote for them with that prick Corbyn in charge!!...As for the Conservatives.....Pffft!...Tossers the lot of em!!...

[skyebo]

Spot on!...Labour always win the Torfaen seat where I am in Wales but I'd never vote for them with that prick Corbyn in charge!!...As for the Conservatives.....Pffft!...Tossers the lot of em!!...

Labour here too Marty.

[Kev0909]

Donald trump and Borris to rule the world guyssssssssss

[Clungeman]

Personally, I think Newsthump hit the nail square on the head:

https://newsthump.com/2019/06/20/tory-leadership-battle-reduced-to-twt-vs-cnt/

[CCTV]

Spot on!...Labour always win the Torfaen seat where I am in Wales but I'd never vote for them with that prick Corbyn in charge!!...As for the Conservatives.....Pffft!...Tossers the lot of em!!...

What is it about Corbyn that means you wouldn't vote for labour now, if I read your right ?

Would you prefer a more blairesque party leader ?

[CCTV]

Revolution comrade! We have nothing to lose but our chains!

Not saying its skyebos position but I think people have serious questions that do not necessarily devolve into communism and stazism. Addressing inequality is an issue for capitalist societies.

If you follow skyebos posts I'd suggest hes more concerned about the appalling treatment of children to known sex offenders at the time whether in grooming rape gangs or Jimmy savile and those who knew about it and did nothing in the BBC, entertainment community, police and social services, than he is about just about any other issue.

[Balinkay]

Calm down, CC, it's a joke.

[redebreck]

Spot on!...Labour always win the Torfaen seat where I am in Wales but I'd never vote for them with that prick Corbyn in charge!!...As for the Conservatives.....Pffft!...Tossers the lot of em!!...

I'm in Blaenau Gwent, which is usually Labour - because of historic reasons, coal mining (gone), steel works (gone).

What is it about Corbyn that means you wouldn't vote for labour now, if I read your right ?

Would you prefer a more blairesque party leader ?

Corbyn seems to be almost communist in his views, and seems to support terrorism (along with Diane Abbott) - IRA, British ISIS members who want to come back to the UK.
Bliar's party seemed a more reasonable alternative at the time - less left-wing and therefore more acceptable to the electorate.

[CCTV]

Calm down, CC, it's a joke.

Apologies balinkay

[Nineteenx]

I'd vote Labour every time, the establishment are scared to death of Corbyn and not for the reasons they would have people believe, there are things that desperately need to be done to try and begin restoring the once working model that the Tories broke by selling off public services, social housing (without replacing it) and fiddling the inflation register for the last 40 years (including Blair) and Corbyn is the only politician who will deliver that.

If I was minted, I would actually pay to commission an LSE report on how inflation has been fiddled by Tory policies for the past 40 years and what 'real inflation' versus 'wage inflation' has actually been over that time and how those policies not the EU have caused pretty much all the issues the UK faces. If people actually learned the truth of what the last 40 years has done to the UK on every level prior to the next election happening it would be a Labour landslide and the Tories would be rightfully almost completely wiped out, it is absolutely scandalous what their policies have done to the UK, to normal working class people, to immigration figures, to the incredible uneccessary stress levels people have to live under which cause the ever escalating number of people suffering mental illness.

It really doesn't have to and never should have got to this point, Blair is hugely responsible, he came at a time when the working classes were absolute desperately for a real Labour party to begin reversing the damage Tory policies had done, I know a hell of a lot of people who voted for Blair, not because of his policies, but because they believed that these were mostly policies he had to implement to get in the door and then as time progressed, that he would change policies to be more in line with what the UK really needed, and after voting him in twice and this not happening, massive swathes of people completely lost all hope and faith in all political parties. Blair created the actuality of the phrase that 'it doesn't matter who you vote for, they're all the same' and gave rise to the Far Right parties and UKIP's through being the same as the Tories, failing to deliver what the UK needed as he, his 'disciples', Tories and Lib Dems all regularly voted through policy together during his fraudulent reign, lining their own pockets and feathering their own nests and to hell with fixing the broken model

[CCTV]

I'd vote Labour every time, the establishment are scared to death of Corbyn and not for the reasons they would have people believe, there are things that desperately need to be done to try and begin restoring the once working model that the Tories broke by selling off public services, social housing (without replacing it) and fiddling the inflation register for the last 40 years (including Blair) and Corbyn is the only politician who will deliver that.

If I was minted, I would actually pay to commission an LSE report on how inflation has been fiddled by Tory policies for the past 40 years and what 'real inflation' versus 'wage inflation' has actually been over that time and how those policies not the EU have caused pretty much all the issues the UK faces. If people actually learned the truth of what the last 40 years has done to the UK on every level prior to the next election happening it would be a Labour landslide and the Tories would be rightfully almost completely wiped out, it is absolutely scandalous what their policies have done to the UK, to normal working class people, to immigration figures, to the incredible uneccessary stress levels people have to live under which cause the ever escalating number of people suffering mental illness.

It really doesn't have to and never should have got to this point, Blair is hugely responsible, he came at a time when the working classes were absolute desperately for a real Labour party to begin reversing the damage Tory policies had done, I know a hell of a lot of people who voted for Blair, not because of his policies, but because they believed that these were mostly policies he had to implement to get in the door and then as time progressed, that he would change policies to be more in line with what the UK really needed, and after voting him in twice and this not happening, massive swathes of people completely lost all hope and faith in all political parties. Blair created the actuality of the phrase that 'it doesn't matter who you vote for, they're all the same' and gave rise to the Far Right parties and UKIP's through being the same as the Tories, failing to deliver what the UK needed as he, his 'disciples', Tories and Lib Dems all regularly voted through policy together during his fraudulent reign, lining their own pockets and feathering their own nests and to hell with fixing the broken model

Corbyn couldn't do what he wants to do within the eu framework. If hes lucky boris will take the uk out of the eu for him and perhaps thwart the rise of the Brexit party in doing so.
If boris fails do take the uk out the eu, then it's likely the Tories get crushed by the Brexit party. The Brexit party is probably a far more likely gatherer of Brexit labour/left voters than the Tories in a general election. Same way lib dems are more likely for Tories. Given the almost religious or worse animosity between Tories and labourites that i see and suggest the animosity is slight harder from labour to Tory.

If you look at that lordy Ashcroft poll, it would seem in the eu elections 45% had voted for Brexit and 50% for remain- unsurprising to me that slightly more remainers voted for the eu elections.
Asked if the UK should leave or remain 50% said they should leave and 46% said they should stay. Only a poll.

This is the remainers problem and corbyns labour party problem. There are a large amount of left wing reasons and voters for Brexit. They risk losing these if the go outright remain which it appears they will. Also there are remain voters who although they think Brexit was the wrong choice they understand that not respecting the result will likely lead to bigger problems.
The remain side/the media consistently use polls to say they are a remain nation now. But this underestimates the almost one sided interim of canvassing and it also underscores the fact that there are remainers in there who do not think a second referendum is just and also think that the UK should leave to respect the vote.
Voting on 2 options as to how to leave has legs.
Say May's deal or no deal. Though that might require some movement in parliament.

Corbyn strikes me as a weak leader. He should have come out strong on leaving the eu and sold the vision for a future outside the eu. Instead the left has increasingly given up on offering any hope for the future outside the eu and imo I think that is a poor strategy. If Britain does leave the EU they will have nothing to offer in terms of a positive future.
There in this position as they've gone down the road of labelling the Brexit vote as fascist racist nazi scum.