Wilder v Fury II

[RedNoodle]

There are several members of my family who suffer with bipolar, it's almost always comorbid with at least one other mental health condition, quite often with several, lots of crazy magical thinking in up periods, depending on the type the up periods can be escalating up periods, where the intensity and level of fucked up thinking and behaviour increases and increases and increases and the risk taking poor decisions making and layers of thought/belief added on top of each others do to.

There are lots of cases where people have been hugely successful and gone through long cycles where they build up business or become excellent at one thing or another and the more successful they get, it scalates everything until they tear it all down, then enter a huge depressive period

'Being an expert' myself I can tell you that whilst bipolar disorder and depression can affect how you 'feel', they do not change your inherent propensity to be violent, a **** or the like. If you're a ****, you'll still be a ****, just one that is very 'happy' at times, very 'sad' at times, or both. You may even be an 'unfeeling' ****, but you'll still be a ****.

I've never known a good or bad person to 'switch' just because they've had mental health issues. It's like booze, it might amplify a person's 'character', but unless it is very, very severe it won't suddenly flip it from one side of the coin to another. In such cases you can see there's a problem. These kinds of people don't possess the traits to become a sporting champion. I feel far too many people (especially in sport) are using mental health issues as an excuse/crutch and I don't like it one bit.

[reddownunder]

Seeing Wilder getting the shit bashed out of him is very satisfying

[toneata]

Christ, the complete shite these commentators are spouting now. Comparing this as one of the greatest fights Vegas has ever seen.

One way traffic from round 1, Wilder not offering ANYTHING, and that's a great fight????..........great performance maybe, NOT great fight.

Wilder hinted that something wasn't right going into the fight (they all seem to say that when they lose), but it wasn't the type of fight that would get people clamouring for number 3.


It'll be a travesty if Fury v Joshua doesn't happen now.

[RedNoodle]

Because mine's sensory neural so the connections to the brain are fucked, my body tries periodically repairing them, that's weird, I know when it's happening because my right ear starts making weird noises all by itself, test card, intermittent noises, white noise, all sorts of weird noises, it's very odd

I get that as well. It comes out of blue for seemingly no reason what so ever. Then again I've got so much seriously wrong it's probably connected to one of those issues.

[RedNoodle]

Seeing Wilder getting the shit bashed out of him is very satisfying

Not nearly as satisfying as it would have been to see Wilder beat Fury so that he went away and I never had to see or hear him again.

[Nineteenx]

'Being an expert' myself I can tell you that whilst bipolar disorder and depression can affect how you 'feel', they do not change your inherent propensity to be violent, a **** or the like. If you're a ****, you'll still be a ****, just one that is very 'happy' at times, very 'sad' at times, or both. You may even be an 'unfeeling' ****, but you'll still be a ****.

I've never known a good or bad person to 'switch' just because they've had mental health issues. It's like booze, it might amplify a person's 'character', but unless it is very, very severe it won't suddenly flip it from one side of the coin to another. In such cases you can see there's a problem. These kinds of people don't possess the traits to become a sporting champion. I feel far too many people (especially in sport) are using mental health issues as an excuse/crutch and I don't like it one bit.

You're only an expert on your own bipolar noodle, it's very different for everyone, for example, if a person with bipolar suffers a long period of sustained abuse, this can induce a psychotic episode, which can trigger extreme violence or thoughts of committing violence and worse and make normally very lovely people into a very dangerous psychopath, this can then cause PTSD as a result of the prolonged period of sustained abuse, your sub conscious then develops triggers to recognise the behaviour that caused it as danger as it does for all forms of danger, then if something happens that your sub conscious recognises as a trigger of that particular danger again, it can send you immediately into another psychotic episode in which you're incredibly dangerous, trust me, I know an awful lot about bipolar and it being comorbid with other things. people who have bipolar are also 45% more likely than anyone else to develop PTSD

[Nineteenx]

Seeing Wilder getting the shit bashed out of him is very satisfying

I really don't like the guy, so normally it would have been, but not how it happened

[RedNoodle]

You're only an expert on your own bipolar noodle, it's very different for everyone, for example, if a person with bipolar suffers a long period of sustained abuse, this can induce a psychotic episode, which can trigger extreme violence or thoughts of committing violence and worse and make normally very lovely people into a very dangerous psychopath, this can then cause PTSD as a result of the prolonged period of sustained abuse, your sub conscious then develops triggers to recognise the behaviour that caused it as danger as it does for all forms of danger, then if something happens that your sub conscious recognises as a trigger of that particular danger again, it can send you immediately into another psychotic episode in which you're incredibly dangerous, trust me, I know an awful lot about bipolar and it being comorbid with other things. people who have bipolar are also 45% more likely than anyone else to develop PTSD

That's where your wrong. Having discussed problems around mental health with many others I think have a better grasp than most how mental health issues affect people, especially when it comes to how it changes them in regards to not only themselves, but also when it comes to interacting with others. I know exactly how mental health issues can make a person 'feel', but there is a massive difference between 'feeling' something and 'doing' something. As I said about booze, those that have a violent personality will become violent once they've had a few. Someone like myself however will just become even more miserable and opinionated. I won't suddenly start trying to kick the **** out of anyone that annoys me. Why? Because I was never close to being that way beforehand, and the same applies to most of those that I've seen and spoke to who suffer from mental health issues.

If you want to believe that Tyson Fury is actually a saint and that anything bad he says or does is down to his 'possible' mental health issues, then so be it. I however don't. I think he's a **** and always was and will be irrespective of any issues he 'might' have. He'll trot it out again once he says or does something bad. If people like him and Ronnie O'Sullivan were as bad as they claim, they'd barely be able to get out of bed, never mind anything else, and even if they could, they'd be more focused on getting as much help as possible (e.g. having a sustained period away from sport) rather than pocketing a load of cash.

[Nineteenx]

That's where your wrong. Having discussed problems around mental health with many others I think have a better grasp than most how mental health issues affect people, especially when it comes to how it changes them in regards to not only themselves, but also when it comes to interacting with others. I know exactly how mental health issues can make a person 'feel', but there is a massive difference between 'feeling' something and 'doing' something. As I said about booze, those that have a violent personality will become violent once they've had a few. Someone like myself however will just become even more miserable and opinionated. I won't suddenly start trying to kick the **** out of anyone that annoys me. Why? Because I was never close to being that way beforehand, and the same applies to most of those that I've seen and spoke to who suffer from mental health issues.

If you want to believe that Tyson Fury is actually a saint and that anything bad he says or does is down to his 'possible' mental health issues, then so be it. I however don't. I think he's a **** and always was and will be irrespective of any issues he 'might've have. He'll trot it out again once he says or does something bad. If people like him and Ronnie O'Sullivan were as bad as they claim, they'd barely be able to get out of bed, never mind anything else, and even if they could, they'd be more focused on getting as much help as possible (e.g. having a sustained period away from sport) rather than pocketing a load of cash.

Sorry Noodle, there are people who use it as a media tool, the experiences i'm talking about are very common and have been shared by many people on MD junction's bipolar forum. A PTSD trigger to behave violently isn't a conscious choice, it's a defence mechanism that your sub conscious puts in place for something it has identified as danger, ergo, once it is in place, it is incredibly difficult to treat, fix or remove, because it is not a voluntary action or behaviour, your sub conscious does it for you, you don't have a choice in the matter, the only real treatment for a condition formed in such a way is avoidance of situations that might trigger it

Edit: I'm not talking about Fury, he uses it as an excuse for bad behaviour, he doesn't have it as a condition with a comorbid PTSD as a trigger

[RedNoodle]

Sorry Noodle, there are people who use it as a media tool, the experiences i'm talking about are very common and have been shared by many people on MD junction's bipolar forum. A PTSD trigger to behave violently isn't a conscious choice, it's a defence mechanism that your sub conscious puts in place for something it has identified as danger, ergo, once it is in place, it is incredibly difficult to treat, fix or remove, because it is not a voluntary action or behaviour, your sub conscious does it for you, you don't have a choice in the matter, the only real treatment for a condition formed in such a way is avoidance of situations that might trigger it

Edit: I'm not talking about Fury, he uses it as an excuse for bad behaviour, he doesn't have it as a condition with a comorbid PTSD as a trigger

Having 'inside info' on PTSD I know that it's not a conscious choice. However the unconscious choice/decision is directed by two things a) The nature of the trigger, and b) The nature of the sufferer. The more extreme either of those two things, the more likely the are to engage in extreme behaviour e.g. someone who is put in a threatening situation is more likely to be violent if they already had violent tendencies and/or are put in a potentially (to them) 'violent' situation, than someone who doesn't have violent tendencies being put into a stressful, but not as potentially dangerous situation.

[Nineteenx]

Having 'inside info' on PTSD I know that it's not a conscious choice. However the unconscious choice/decision is directed by two things a) The nature of the trigger, and b) The nature of the sufferer. The more extreme either of those two things, the more likely the are to engage in extreme behaviour e.g. someone who is put in a threatening situation is more likely to be violent if they already had violent tendencies and/or are put in a potentially (to them) 'violent' situation, than someone who doesn't have violent tendencies being put into a stressful, but not as potentially dangerous situation.

You forgot (C) Noodle, the nature of how the PTSD was formed, the longevity over which it was formed and the extremity of the psychotic episode that continued abuse triggered, any other life traumas the psychotic episode caused (loss of independence, loss of relationships etc etc)

A situation doesn't have to be a potentially violent situation for a trigger or to trigger violence, if the psychotic episode triggered involved violent irrational otherwise completely out of character behaviour, but the prolonged abuse wasn't of a violent nature, the trigger isn't going to be violence, it's going to be behaviour the sub conscious recognises as being the same as that which occurred in the prolonged period of abuse.

So say this was work place abuse over a sustained period of time, in which the person was threatened with violence, systematically robbed, systematically abused for a disability and their life made as uncomfortable by a combination of these things and people being deliberately awkward and difficult with them also, day in, day out of a period of years, until the drip drip drip of it triggered a psychotic episode, then it could easily be triggered by being in a place of work and anybody doing these things or the sub conscious perceiving they were doing these things

Edit: It could even be triggered by something as simple as being somewhere which had similar or the same lighting and operating systems and environment as the place the prolonged abuse took place

[ianlfc]

Obviously I know the result but I'm now watching the repeat for the first time.
First thing I nor iced about the ring walk was the Wilder singer going on about black this and black that.
A little racist me thinks.

[ianlfc]

Does Wilder skip leg day ?

[ianlfc]

Wilder looks like he's looking for the one punch winner. Nothing else.

[Nineteenx]

Wilder looks like he's looking for the one punch winner. Nothing else.

I think he modelled himself on Ivan Drago