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Would you be better off having 1 parent working ?Originally posted by ianlfc View PostSaid no kid , EVER !!
Over here the summer holidays start from the start of July until the start of September, so 8 weeks.
The amount money We spent on childcare for 2 kids was unreal, though saying that the older They get you are still handing out money. So nothing chaneed.
If I'd got a dog first I'd never of had kids 😂😂😂
Lots of older parents advise not working too much when your kids are young as you miss out on the best parental years.
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Pretty sure the German kids spend less time in school than the UK and have rather similar holidays.Originally posted by teesred View PostYep. All based around harvesting on farms.
I didnt know any kids who did that when I was at school. A way out dated calendar.
The govt say our chimdren are far behind the rest of europe in technical abilities. Stop giving them so much time off then or keep them at school for longer in term time. Simples really. Working families need more support nowadays in my opinion.
Maybe if you gave up your holidays and spent more time in work you could display some solidarity with the kids.
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In yesteryear everyone worked on the farms of families but for shorter time periods than 6 weeks. It was a community effort to make hay etc. People back then pretty much only bought flour, oats, dairy and sugar etc from shops, grew most things from their own gardens. Making all kinds of jams and storing crops till the next season. Using winter crops also.Originally posted by stevie harkness View PostAren't the 6 weeks originally so that the kids can help out on the family farm and get the harvest in?
In recent summers the best weather for holidays has been May and June then it starts turning to shite, time to adapt, 3 fortnights spread out, one a month or something, I'm just making this up now
Maybe if ye pooled together you could reduce childcare costs and have kids working in the garden/allotments picking fruits, planting crops etc theyd benefit from the rich and historical traditions, while also reducing dependency on grocers saving more money for the family. Giving them a sense of pride.
Read a piece recently which claimed that if you took the 1870s health standards and merely applied modern medicine to childbirth and infant mortality that the life expectancy would be the same. Though people today have a host of long term illnesses that weren't present in the 1870s as they aged like diabetes, heart disease and cancers.
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I dont get holidays. I work 4 on 4 off with 18 day breaks every 7 sets. No holiday shifts. Fnarrrrrrr.Originally posted by CCTV View PostPretty sure the German kids spend less time in school than the UK and have rather similar holidays.
Maybe if you gave up your holidays and spent more time in work you could display some solidarity with the kids.The defining moments in our lives are never planned.
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Lots of older parents lived different lives back then, daily life is much more expensive now which is why a huge amount of families are 2 working ones. A lot of older parents are also comfortable on final salary pensions, grandparents play a much bigger role in childcare than in years gone by.Originally posted by CCTV View PostWould you be better off having 1 parent working ?
Lots of older parents advise not working too much when your kids are young as you miss out on the best parental years.The defining moments in our lives are never planned.
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That is a fantastic ideal but how would it work now? It would have to be bought into by everyone. Ditching the all mod devices that the youtube generation cherish so much would be a huge task.Originally posted by CCTV View PostIn yesteryear everyone worked on the farms of families but for shorter time periods than 6 weeks. It was a community effort to make hay etc. People back then pretty much only bought flour, oats, dairy and sugar etc from shops, grew most things from their own gardens. Making all kinds of jams and storing crops till the next season. Using winter crops also.
Maybe if ye pooled together you could reduce childcare costs and have kids working in the garden/allotments picking fruits, planting crops etc theyd benefit from the rich and historical traditions, while also reducing dependency on grocers saving more money for the family. Giving them a sense of pride.
Read a piece recently which claimed that if you took the 1870s health standards and merely applied modern medicine to childbirth and infant mortality that the life expectancy would be the same. Though people today have a host of long term illnesses that weren't present in the 1870s as they aged like diabetes, heart disease and cancers.
Going back to that kind of life would be a game changer for the future of humanity.
You can look at the simple life that some communities and native people in various parts of the world live and envy it.The defining moments in our lives are never planned.
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Not sure I follow you.Originally posted by teesred View PostI dont get holidays. I work 4 on 4 off with 18 day breaks every 7 sets. No holiday shifts. Fnarrrrrrr.
So you work every other day for 56 days- 28 on 28 off -and then get 18 days off ?
Every 74 days you work 28.
Or work roughly 140 days a year.
Yet have an issue with the kids summer holidays !
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The parents I'm talking about often had both parents working. Over here it would seem (no fact as such) that parents with 2 or more kids particularly would be financially better off with only 1 parent working.Originally posted by teesred View PostLots of older parents lived different lives back then, daily life is much more expensive now which is why a huge amount of families are 2 working ones. A lot of older parents are also comfortable on final salary pensions, grandparents play a much bigger role in childcare than in years gone by.
In our abortion debate it surprised me how many women were aborting a 3rd baby on account of the lack of action in reforming childcare costs.
That many two parent working families of 2 chilldren were merely working at no gain from having a second income. The only advantage maybe in having a better return on retirement but the way things seem to go that might prove to be idealistic rather than practically true. The other advantage maybe in getting away from their own children if that's seen as an advantage.
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Sort out the compensation culture. Some really scandalous stories in this area.Originally posted by teesred View PostThat is a fantastic ideal but how would it work now? It would have to be bought into by everyone. Ditching the all mod devices that the youtube generation cherish so much would be a huge task.
Going back to that kind of life would be a game changer for the future of humanity.
You can look at the simple life that some communities and native people in various parts of the world live and envy it.
Tell kids what's happening and imo they'd enjoy it. Those familiar with research in tech dont let their kids access it.
In nursing homes you leave people do what they can do. Parents of today are the personification of nanny states. This last year I've met 9 year olds that cant tie their shoelaces or have never used a knife and were unable to use a plastic knife to cut nuggets/sausages at a birthday party. Parents today cripple their kids in many ways.
Where theres a will theres a way. What I find is kids miss meeting up with their buddies at school but enjoy getting away from school. These types of avenues afford them the chance to meet their pals without having to sit in a classroom. Producing something of worth and contributing.
The change in childhood in 3-4 familial generations is alarming, with impacts on mental and physical health in childhood presently. Reversing some of the negatives while keeping the more positive aspects is desirable.
There are techical issues but you start off on a path and you solve those as you go to a point. It'll save money, be good for kids and have parents and professionals overseeing and socialising.
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I have a mate who applied for a similar job - think they have 10 or 12 hour shifts.Originally posted by CCTV View PostNot sure I follow you.
So you work every other day for 56 days- 28 on 28 off -and then get 18 days off ?
Every 74 days you work 28.
Or work roughly 140 days a year.
Yet have an issue with the kids summer holidays !Etiam si omnes, ego non
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Totally agree.Originally posted by CCTV View PostSort out the compensation culture. Some really scandalous stories in this area.
Tell kids what's happening and imo they'd enjoy it. Those familiar with research in tech dont let their kids access it.
In nursing homes you leave people do what they can do. Parents of today are the personification of nanny states. This last year I've met 9 year olds that cant tie their shoelaces or have never used a knife and were unable to use a plastic knife to cut nuggets/sausages at a birthday party. Parents today cripple their kids in many ways.
Where theres a will theres a way. What I find is kids miss meeting up with their buddies at school but enjoy getting away from school. These types of avenues afford them the chance to meet their pals without having to sit in a classroom. Producing something of worth and contributing.
The change in childhood in 3-4 familial generations is alarming, with impacts on mental and physical health in childhood presently. Reversing some of the negatives while keeping the more positive aspects is desirable.
There are techical issues but you start off on a path and you solve those as you go to a point. It'll save money, be good for kids and have parents and professionals overseeing and socialising.
Its something that needs to be instilled early. At school now theres an early approach to budgeting money so kids will know how to manage it better than previous genetations. Wheres the educating in terms of family values and the things you talk of like growing their own food? Its all geated towards the whole birth,school,work,marraige,mortgage,retirement,dea th cycle. This country is hung up on totally. Theres more to life than owning a home.The defining moments in our lives are never planned.
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2 12 hour days, 2 12 hour nights, 4 days offOriginally posted by CCTV View PostNot sure I follow you.
So you work every other day for 56 days- 28 on 28 off -and then get 18 days off ?
Every 74 days you work 28.
Or work roughly 140 days a year.
Yet have an issue with the kids summer holidays !
After 7th cycle you get 18 days off. Rubbish for weekends though. Dont get many where youre off fri,sat,sunday.The defining moments in our lives are never planned.
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That sounds lovely but first things first, some people aren't on speaking terms with their next door neighbours, don't have gardens and they keep building on any patch of urban green they can get their hands on. As for reducing dependency, great idea but dependency is what makes the economy tick. Consumerism.Originally posted by CCTV View PostMaybe if ye pooled together you could reduce childcare costs and have kids working in the garden/allotments picking fruits, planting crops etc theyd benefit from the rich and historical traditions, while also reducing dependency on grocers saving more money for the family. Giving them a sense of pride.
Atrophy and Dependence. Back in 1870 you may have squatted behind a bush to take a dump but now you have a nice seat so your perineal muscles atrophy and you become dependent on your nursing homes, same with tying knots, using a knife, if you can't do the basic skills they atrophy and you become dependent on others or the state, and that costs you, and not just in money.
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Well it's a means for developing bonds, or at least some level of tolerance. Agree on the dependency and economics. People/society cant get their heads around the idea of their being a limited amount of work. With automation etc we go towards having 24/7 Tesco's and pubs. Open up sex work to employ single mothers as advertised in UK social services or dole offices cant remember which one. It's like North Korea just making jobs to keep people busy in the absence of a capacity to simply live. That art is dying.Originally posted by stevie harkness View PostThat sounds lovely but first things first, some people aren't on speaking terms with their next door neighbours, don't have gardens and they keep building on any patch of urban green they can get their hands on. As for reducing dependency, great idea but dependency is what makes the economy tick. Consumerism.
Atrophy and Dependence. Back in 1870 you may have squatted behind a bush to take a dump but now you have a nice seat so your perineal muscles atrophy and you become dependent on your nursing homes, same with tying knots, using a knife, if you can't do the basic skills they atrophy and you become dependent on others or the state, and that costs you, and not just in money.
It's one of my beefs with the NHS system, weve a very poor version of it over here. While I agree with universal healthcare I can also see how it's a massive cash cow for suppliers.
Keep expiring some token and going way over the word count in the climate change thread but those electric cars had the same capacity as the ones today. At&t who own CNN, bought Stan Ovshinskys company and withdrew the patent and recalled the cars. There are some issues around electric cars and they may not be all people think but it just demonstrates how big financing works. Buy up numerous sectors and increase profits via more problems.
Think it's rather similar in the food and health industry. Change the diet, make more sick people then give them the bandages etc and you've more customers or market share and profits.
While as part of the attack on the diet, a wealth of mental health statistics show people are worse off now than before in terms of health statistics.
Just do the hover dump, at least it'll take the weight off the seat.
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