Brexit thread 2 Electric Boogaloo

[CCTV]

The fear about a post Brexit seems to be that the Tories will do this and that, though this and that has been the effect of being in the eu.
Lets not leave the eu as the things that have happened since we joined the eu might happen after we leave it, from a workers and investment perspective.

[Mike Lad]

The fear about a post Brexit seems to be that the Tories will do this and that, though this and that has been the effect of being in the eu.

By 'this and that' do you mean completely sacking off the environment and human rights?

The EU is a sobering influence on our policy, which has a very "fuck the world and all the workers in it" vibe.

[CCTV]

By 'this and that' do you mean completely sacking off the environment and human rights?

The EU is a sobering influence on our policy, which has a very "fuck the world and all the workers in it" vibe.

Meant more like stagnant wages and a sharp decline in infrastructural investment as its measured.

The environment is a big topic to discuss, I'm willing but not now, time.

Not sure how human rights will be affected by leaving the UK. Who are they going to attack ? the good for nothing unemployed identified by remainers in this thread ?

[Balinkay]

Might give it a watch CC. Not a huge fan of this communication through videos though, I must say.

[Balinkay]

Meant more like stagnant wages and a sharp decline in infrastructural investment as its measured.

The environment is a big topic to discuss, I'm willing but not now, time.

Not sure how human rights will be affected by leaving the UK. Who are they going to attack ? the good for nothing unemployed identified by remainers in this thread ?

Could you point them out?

[CCTV]

Immigrants (I hate this term) taking our jobs. Bullshit , people too lazy to work.

The biggest question is who is going to do all the jobs the 'immigrants' did that the lazy dole dwelling wouldnt do?

Could you point them out?

Sure, these are the 2 posters/posts i was referring to

[CCTV]

Might give it a watch CC. Not a huge fan of this communication through videos though, I must say.

Well you could read all of his work if you prefer, think video is like the new printing press.

[CCTV]

@ Bali , do you know which human rights Mike-lad was referring to ?

[Balinkay]

Sure, these are the 2 posters/posts i was referring to

Cheers. Can kind of see what you mean.

Mayhaps they'd like to elaborate?

@dicko @Aldo

[Balinkay]

Well you could read all of his work if you prefer, think video is like the new printing press.

You're very much right imo. Makes for a poor conversation is all.

@ Bali , do you know which human rights Mike-lad was referring to ?

Not sure. I do know the EU has some regulations on the number of hours you get to work, conditions, how much you must rest. As a student for example you're not allowed to work more than 20 hours a week (in general) here in Krautland. Maybe something like that?

[Mike Lad]

Not sure how human rights will be affected by leaving the UK

MPs voted against retaining the European Charter of Fundamental Rights after we leave, so that's one potential way.

Obviously, no one knows for sure how or even if they will be affected. But I'm inclined to believe that people's concerns about the Tories doing 'this or that' without the EU's influence are valid.

[CCTV]

MPs voted against retaining the European Charter of Fundamental Rights after we leave, so that's one potential way.

Obviously, no one knows for sure how or even if they will be affected. But I'm inclined to believe that people's concerns about the Tories doing 'this or that' without the EU's influence are valid.

I'm not sure I follow you here Mike as there's little indication of what and where you see such concerns arising based on precedent

On this issue I believe most if not all will be retained.

Where eu rulings have been contested, where I've seen them, they tend to be very sensible.

The 2 examples that come to my mind, if I have you right in the first place, are fishing and pedophilia.

On fishing, see Atlantic way, I'd say the contesting is rather justified. With an interest in protecting fishing stocks from an environmental perspective. While usually looking at say loopholes companies use.
Each country gets quotas, in our territory many are fishing their quotas here and often go to poorer nations like Latvia and register their companies there and then continue to fish even more fish out of our stocks under a different nations flag.
Believe the UK has had similar challenges dismissed, iirc.
We'll likely end up having our fishing stocks decimated as things are going.

On pedophilia it has been contested whether they should have the exact same data protection privileges when it comes at the risk of the welfare of children.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/14/european-commission-putting-paedophiles-privacy-ahead-fighting/amp/
This for known offences as opposed to the risk of re-offending say in another jurisdiction.

On previous examples I'd say the fear is ungrounded. But open to correction or further explanation.

[Aldo1988]

Cheers. Can kind of see what you mean.

Mayhaps they'd like to elaborate?

@dicko @Aldo

It's quite clear what I mean. CCTV wants to come across as some kind of hero/protector of the meak but is being taken for a ride by believing everything that he reads on this forum. There are hell of a lot of people in England who choose from an early age that being on benifits is a career and do well for it. I might sound like some right wing nutter but I see and experience it everyday of my life.

[Mike Lad]

I'm not sure I follow you here Mike

I'm not sure I follow you either, dude....

All I'm saying is that I think people have legitimate concerns about the Tories having ultimately more clout outside of the EU. Maybe I completely misunderstood the point you were trying to make.

The stuff about fishing - I'll bite. You got sources?

And about pedophiles - well. I'll be honest, I read the article you linked, and just by reading that one article, I can't sum up the problem. What is the problem? OK, I get it, there's some EU law that basically enables pedos to pedo, and if only that pesky law wasn't there, then all the pedo crimes could be solved tonight, right? But take all the sensationalist stuff away and what's the problem, really? What's the law, what's the actual thing it prevents, and is it really a bad thing? I literally can't tell from the article. And I only ask because I know Theresa May in particular is BIG on snooping. So I'm a bit cynical as to Sajid Javid's motives on this. I don't necessarily agree that being able to spy on everyone is a good thing.

[Aldo1988]

Even though I'm not a big fan of Will Self he nailed it when he said “every racist and anti-Semite in the country voted for Brexit."

Watch the video of him and Mark Francois, the Tory prick is absolutely clueless.