Brexit thread 2 Electric Boogaloo

[Balinkay]

Poorer conditions?! Is the quality of life in the UK lower than it was say 20 years ago?!

[dicko1969]

Are we poorer than 20 years ago?

No idea.

British "immigrants" in Europe are. £1=€1.15.

Out of interest , having not been to Northern Ireland or Ireland for 20 years, how does it work if you are on the border.

Is it cheaper to buy petrol?
I know on the French Belgium border you have situations.
Same Luxembourg
Same Swiss, obviously not in EU.

I remember 90s guys going on p&o ferries Dover/ Calais buying cigarettes everyday selling on in the UK , making a small fortune.

Are we poorer?
A washing machine, cars, are cheaper relatively speaking compared to 20 , 30 40 years ago.

Mind you the washing machine only lasts 5 years now. Compared to 15+ years 30 years ago.

[dicko1969]

Can you pay with Euro & Pounds? In EIRE/ NI

[CCTV]

Can you pay with Euro & Pounds? In EIRE/ NI

Some border petrol stations will take both currencies as they'll spend on both sides of the border. You might lose a little value if your using the wrong currency.
Otherwise its euros and pounds in the respective regions

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Cheaper to buy petrol down south iirc, Ian might be best to ask. Cheaper to buy pretty much everything else up north.

[stevie harkness]

Seamus O Rourke, genius

https://youtu.be/bsBmRwrQfXw

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Poorer conditions?! Is the quality of life in the UK lower than it was say 20 years ago?!

Are we poorer than 20 years ago?

No idea.

I would say.

Materially. No.
Economics of the individual, perhaps. Politics same ^^^
Psychologically, mental/physical health and societally. Yes.

It depends what you value really. Well being or materialism.
If you live in a city compared with a rural setting, it's likely a bit less worse of a difference perhaps.

No substantive piece alone I can cite here, but this would be my opinion based on reading trends and findings. Whilst it has been related to me by individuals I've met who work in 'crisis management' in the NHS.

For example on average the triangular distance between work, home and social is bigger on average. Such increases in this distance come with known negative consequences.
Couple this say with the broader influence of increasing inequality and I think it is evidently so. You have increasing feelings of isolation, declining levels of trust, these all point to a society in decline imo. There've been improvements in areas but overall a decline.

I'd say the country is richer and the society sicker.

I dont think it is solely related to these terrorist attacks, but where people are posting never a worse time than now to bring children into the world say that this is also connected to the general changes in daily living. Declining empathy per generation of college graduates for example is to be found in secondary schools too.

Primary education is pretty good, secondary school is where the education needs drastic action imo and experience. Colleges need reform too but it's more essential in secondary.

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I'm not claiming expertise in these areas. The medical member most accessible to me did vote for remain.

I think in our modern society theres a tendency for people to report progress that isn't reflected in the say medical/psychiatric fields.

[stevie harkness]

Our mental and emotional health are not commodities that can be bought, sold or invested, they cannot be manufactured, advertised, or marketed and as such have no value in terms of GDP or other such bollox.

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Our mental and emotional health are not commodities that can be bought, sold or invested, they cannot be manufactured, advertised, or marketed and as such have no value in terms of GDP or other such bollox.

You are not allowed to sell children for a reason....

[stevie harkness]

Somethings are not for sale, you may deem them valueless if it pleases you

Thanks mate, I was being sarcastic.

They are deemed valueless by the system.

"Economics is a form of brain damage" David Suzuki

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Thanks mate, I was being sarcastic.

They are deemed valueless by the system.

"Economics is a form of brain damage" David Suzuki

Apologies, hard for me to tell with posts sometimes.

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Maybe often, regularly or consistently

[Balinkay]

Idk CC, I'm a pretty materialistic kind of guy (I think a lot of it is down to growing up in a crumbling post communist Eastern European state). The "society is sicker" opinion is definitely one that has merit to it and I share in some regards, but far too many factors play into it for me to really take it seriously without some in-depth consideration. For example 20 years ago you were a teenager / young adult and had no internet, so less access to news. The media functioned slightly differently back then too I'd imagine. It is definitely an interesting point. Have to think about it.

@stevie

I'm not certain that's the case. A well functioning worker produces more wealth and therefore pumps up the GDP. If being mentally stable is a serious factor in being a well functioning worker, I can see it being of great interest to economists. On the flip side antidepressants and psychotherapy cost a fortune and generate tax revenue.

[dicko1969]

The country or county define probably if you are poor, even a postcode.

It really depends how you define being poor.

I remember a guy called mamadou from Mali, visited me. Said to me I was rich, because i had a car, a tv, a fridge, and food in it.

The thing is talking to a friend , who said to me that his 3 yo watches tv and is constantly bombarded with messages to buy .

Toys . McDonald's. Technology.
Amazing how companies can start the psychological mind games so early.

"We are all consumer addicts"