Brexit thread 2 Electric Boogaloo

[dicko1969]

The UK is in a mess because of ignorance on The EUROPEAN UNION.

24 UK MEPs in the EU are UKIP!!
Out of 73 UK MEPs.

This MUST change in the coming European elections at the end of May.

New #MEPS REPRESENTING THE UK.

[dicko1969]

UK population increase by 10 million in the last 20 years.

Baby boomers , and living age older 80+ yo.

Accounts for 8.5 million people over 20 years (1998 - 2018)

Net migration = 1.5 million in 20 years.

More retired people , means needing more people working to provide pension funds, elderly people services.

[dicko1969]

MEPs who have served one term could get a maximum pre-tax payment of €50,900 (£43,575),

while an MEP in office since 1999 could receive €169,680 before tax. (FARAGE)

The 73 MEPs will receive around £6m payoff.

Plus Farage has £500k+ assets
Offshore money
Lied about that
Plus his assets have risen from £150k to £500k in the last year.

Farage is poison. Liar.

[CCTV]

Completely agree that joining the EU on a referendum is just as absurd as leaving it. Smells of politicians just washing their hands and not taking the responsibility they are being paid to take. Why the hell am I paying taxes if they're going to ask me to solve all the tough problems?

Re: Suarez, of course they are different predictions - one's football, the other's fuckball.

A renewed referendum on "no-deal" vs "May's deal" also makes sense. I was operating under the impression that her deal wasn't even an option anymore and it was literally "no deal" vs "stay". That dude who likes to yell "ORDAAA ORDAAAA" in parliament said he wouldn't let the other scoundrels discuss "May's deal" again.

While I do agree the EU is acting in its own interests, I don't particularly see what it's doing to the detriment of those it's meant to represent, though I don't really know how the negotiations are going. Is there something glaringly bad for EU citizens in the Union's stated position on Brexit. Maybe it's acting against the best interest of the UK people. In fact I assume that's what they're doing.

Edit: Concerning the divide between the people and the parliament - I saw / heard about some study that showed something like 17% of the populace were backing some Brexit position, while over 50% of parliament wanted it to happen. USSR levels of representation in power right there.

Why you pay taxes is an interesting question.

On referendum's if you hold that critique consistently, then it applies equally to joining Europe as you accept it does leaving the eu. Your position is to then add another referendum as a solution. Seems a bit circular or inconsistent a position to hold.

Politicans are not what they used to be, the century of self shows quite well the destruction of politics as we used to know it.

Personally I dont see any referendum coming before the people on the Brexit matter. Article 50 was triggered, the eu seems to be only willing to accept an extension if May's deal is agreed to beforehand otherwise it wont accept an extension. The stage is set for parliament, accept May's deal which the eu approve of or leave on a no deal Brexit.

The perception is her deal is worse than a no deal and unlikely to get the votes needed. The worst of both worlds. Unless parliament votes to accept her deal the UK is looking at a no deal Brexit. They may not vote in a no deal in parliament but that'll be of little consequence. It's the default position and one the eu is willing to hold.

Imo it looks like the UK is headed for a no deal Brexit, if they want to vote on whether they accept that after it happens then they might vote but I cant see why they would hold that vote at all after the fact.
It seems to me there'll be no time for a referendum on the matter. Or if one occurs it'll likely be after the fact.

The negotiations should have started on an aggressive footing and been concluded quickly to allow for a vote, if a vote was ever intended at all.

Unlike political footballing of the matter it seems businesses have envisaged this scenario for a good while now and are best placed for a no deal Brexit.

Your edit would be interesting too see these polls as I've not seen any which even approximate to such a state of play.

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UK population increase by 10 million in the last 20 years.

Baby boomers , and living age older 80+ yo.

Accounts for 8.5 million people over 20 years (1998 - 2018)

Net migration = 1.5 million in 20 years.

More retired people , means needing more people working to provide pension funds, elderly people services.

Where do you get the net migration = 1.5 million in 20 years.

Going off this resource it seems to be around 4.5 or 4.6 million net migration over 20 years. 3 times your figure.
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/

[stevie harkness]

Teresa May now saying they might not even bother to have another vote on a deal next week. What a bunch of shameless retards. Nice work if you can get it

Mrs May outlined 4 options now:
1. Ask for another extension
2. Revoke article 50
3. No deal
4. Her deal

[stevie harkness]

The online petition hits 4 million and Farage blames "Russian collusion", that's a good name for a racehorse.

[Balinkay]

@CC

As I very clearly and explicitly stated in my previous post, asking the people wether or not to leave is about as moronic as asking them wether or not to join. Zero inconsistency there.

Let's get one thing straight - my solution to the problem is not another referendum. I'm asking why it's not the UK's. Mine would involve armed militias, gladiator rinks and copious amounts of cotton candy.

Considering the damage has been done by putting the EU membership to the people's vote twice, I can't see how staying or leaving the union could possibly hold any legitimacy if the decision is now suddenly made solely by parliament. It sounds tyrannical. This is not circularity. I'm saying that on a principal level asking the people to solve the EU question is absurd. It should not have happened. Or if it did, it should have at least been handled with so much more care and scrutiny (open to talk about that).

Once it has happened though, you've set the precedent and need to keep going, otherwise you're playing favourites and the people lose trust in their government. I.e. if the MPs just said "nope, we goin' nowhere". And yes, the UK is rather civilised, but that's how the streets come to run red in some parts of the world. Once you've said it's up to the people, you have to stick by that no matter the result.

I hope I've made it clear why those two positions don't contradict each other.

And parliament is kind of fucked, no? The stage you described is really not set, since they've voted against May's deal and to never leave the EU with no deal. They've kind of shot themselves in the foot. And stomach. And face. They're out of options. Bar seppuku maybe.

Like I said, just saw/heard about those polls somewhere online, could have been bollocks.


Your comment on the EU acting in the interest of the institution and not its people kind of worried me. Can you elaborate? I'd like to know if they were fucking me over.


Edit: I just now realised there can't be a "no-deal" vs "stay" referendum, as parliament said "no deal" is never an option.

[stevie harkness]

When I heard about the new political party, The Brexit party, I thought you're 3 years late mate - but maybe they're not as daft as they look.

From what I can tell, of the 4 options, an extension is now the most likely. Which leads to Britain having to take part in the European elections.

Which makes me think Monsieur Farage somehow knew this all along. A prediction CCTV would be proud of!

[CCTV]

Teresa May now saying they might not even bother to have another vote on a deal next week. What a bunch of shameless retards. Nice work if you can get it

Mrs May outlined 4 options now:
1. Ask for another extension
2. Revoke article 50
3. No deal
4. Her deal

Merkel has reiterated that the EU will not extend article 50 as France and Italy have spoken on the matter and Italy will use its veto.
It must be agreed and the only way France will agree is if May's deal is accepted before the date is up. Italy may still force a veto to it.
So May has a couple of days to get parliament on board with her deal (unlikely) and the people to confer via a referendum or peoples vote which would seem to be technically impossible as well as practically.
The default position is a no deal Brexit, WTO terms. It looks most likely to me.

[CCTV]

@CC

As I very clearly and explicitly stated in my previous post, asking the people wether or not to leave is about as moronic as asking them wether or not to join. Zero inconsistency there.

Let's get one thing straight - my solution to the problem is not another referendum. I'm asking why it's not the UK's. Mine would involve armed militias, gladiator rinks and copious amounts of cotton candy.

Considering the damage has been done by putting the EU membership to the people's vote twice, I can't see how staying or leaving the union could possibly hold any legitimacy if the decision is now suddenly made solely by parliament. It sounds tyrannical. This is not circularity. I'm saying that on a principal level asking the people to solve the EU question is absurd. It should not have happened. Or if it did, it should have at least been handled with so much more care and scrutiny (open to talk about that).

Once it has happened though, you've set the precedent and need to keep going, otherwise you're playing favourites and the people lose trust in their government. I.e. if the MPs just said "nope, we goin' nowhere". And yes, the UK is rather civilised, but that's how the streets come to run red in some parts of the world. Once you've said it's up to the people, you have to stick by that no matter the result.

I hope I've made it clear why those two positions don't contradict each other.

And parliament is kind of fucked, no? The stage you described is really not set, since they've voted against May's deal and to never leave the EU with no deal. They've kind of shot themselves in the foot. And stomach. And face. They're out of options. Bar seppuku maybe.

Like I said, just saw/heard about those polls somewhere online, could have been bollocks.


Your comment on the EU acting in the interest of the institution and not its people kind of worried me. Can you elaborate? I'd like to know if they were fucking me over.


Edit: I just now realised there can't be a "no-deal" vs "stay" referendum, as parliament said "no deal" is never an option.

It seemed like you did support another referendum Bali. My question was why would you think more peoples votes would be the solution if you oppose them on principle in a representative democracy. I replied to you saying what such a vote should be between as I see it.

In short I dont believe it was intended for another vote on the matter before the referendum results. Think it is just another way for people to try and prevent results from referendums. Farage was calling for a second referendum when he thought Brexit would lose so it's not to say bad losers arent on both sides. A referendum though is to be absolute. If you lose you lose, you have to bide your time until such a point in time as where another one is justifiable. For remain that is today, but in fairness that isn't a wise move by government.

Both main parties manifesto had commitments to respecting the referendums result delivering a Brexit. Article 50 was triggered where a deal was sought, but no deal was better than a bad deal.

If a no deal Brexit occurs the eu has stated it is insisting on a hard border on the north/south of Ireland border. Good luck to the eu in trying to enforce such a desire and break the good Friday agreement.

If you think the EU's tough negotiation style has done much to combat it's own image problems I think we'll have to disagree on the matter. They've merely shown that if you take the choice to leave you will get very little favour. Macron has stated in France a vote to leave might occur but he will fight against people getting the vote to paraphrase.

I wonder if anyone has looked at the links I've provided. I can only guess not since theres been little comment where otherwise there should be comments.

As per your polls I think they might well be bollocks.

It's very likely Britain will have no choice but to take a no deal Brexit, unless May by some miracle can get her deal backed in parliament and voted on by the people between now and deadline day. While her deal has been labelled bad by both sides and a betrayal of Brexit in principle.

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Also Bali this last decade in the main has been about preserving the euro currency and ECB. It's been a decade of austerity.

It's no surprise to me that the euro has been such a mitigated disaster. Saying that I wasnt aware that should we have a massive crony banking system that banking debts would be nationalised to keep German banks from collapsing.
In one video from Blyth posted earlier he looks at German imports and those who provide them, and then highlights the speed with which these trade dependent countries roll in behind Germany in eu politics. They are bought satellite nations linked by one language, trade. They provide political support for continued trade. This isn't how you build peace and democracy.

[CCTV]

When I heard about the new political party, The Brexit party, I thought you're 3 years late mate - but maybe they're not as daft as they look.

From what I can tell, of the 4 options, an extension is now the most likely. Which leads to Britain having to take part in the European elections.

Which makes me think Monsieur Farage somehow knew this all along. A prediction CCTV would be proud of!

Extension needs the eu on board, it's not, only chance is if May's deal is approved before the request.

[stevie harkness]

Extension needs the eu on board, it's not, only chance is if May's deal is approved before the request.

I'm just going on what the BBC say to be fair. You seem to be more in the know. If it's heading for no deal then what is Farage playing at with this new party? just showboating? perhaps. i think he'd love it to go to the elections though.

[stevie harkness]

Well this is a game changer.

Now it seems there will be no Brexit after all.

3 years of shite but at last it's all over.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/22/uri-geller-promises-to-stop-brexit-using-telepathy?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR3tqiprr5EWg0 7NnTHazk0siSvbAQArU0GK3xOVefotKD4hQQ1mK-upJzY
Illusionist Uri Geller has told Theresa May he will “not allow” her to lead Britain out of the EU.

In an open letter to the prime minister, the Israeli-British TV personality said he felt “psychically and very strongly” that most Britons were anti-Brexit and promised to stop the process telepathically. He wrote: “I feel psychically and very strongly that most British people do not want Brexit. I love you very much but I will not allow you to lead Britain into Brexit. As much as I admire you, I will stop you telepathically from doing this – and believe me I am capable of executing it. Before I take this drastic course of action, I appeal to you to stop the process immediately while you still have a chance.”