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[Balinkay]

Maybe, not must.
It's quite plausible that this 'lunatic' had as much go horribly wrong in his life as anyone who willingly risked their life in war. That is to say not much at all.

I think going to war is very much "something going wrong" in your life - we're not meant to deal with such horror.

@Noods - I respectfully disagree.

[CCTV]

The terrorist threat was publicly scaled down recently and there's an election on, and London is busy with shoppers on Black Friday, the terrorist was known to police and wearing an electronic tag... hindsight is a wonderful thing

A seemingly similar incident in the Hague today too.

Pretty hard job to keep tabs on those on the terrorist list tbf, think it's about 25,000 individuals and some not on the list have been the actors in terrorist attacks.

25,000 monitored by the entire UK police force and army is a task in itself. There are other aspects of policing to deal with as well.

[CCTV]

I think going to war is very much "something going wrong" in your life - we're not meant to deal with such horror.

@Noods - I respectfully disagree.

People who've had absolutely average lives join the army.
Those who are willing to give their lives don't have to have something go horribly wrong in their lives to have such values.

[stevie harkness]

Pretty hard job to keep tabs on those on the terrorist list tbf, think it's about 25,000 individuals and some not on the list have been the actors in terrorist attacks.

25,000 monitored by the entire UK police force and army is a task in itself. There are other aspects of policing to deal with as well.

I had no idea the terrorist list was that long, which makes the decision to publicly scale down the terrorist threat in the run up to Christmas and during an election even more baffling. Like I said hindsight is a wonderful thing

[Balinkay]

People who've had absolutely average lives join the army.
Those who are willing to give their lives don't have to have something go horribly wrong in their lives to have such values.

You misunderstand tremendously - I'm not calling them crazy. I'm saying that the experience of going to war is "something going horribly wrong". It might have been the right thing to do at the time. But it is nonetheless a traumatic and awful experience that I'm not sure humans are meant to be able to deal with.

[CCTV]

I had no idea the terrorist list was that long, which makes the decision to publicly scale down the terrorist threat in the run up to Christmas and during an election even more baffling. Like I said hindsight is a wonderful thing

The threat level is likely gauged separately to the number of individuals on the list. By chatter, activity and Intel.
Obviously terrorists dont liaise with security services, but it'd be like knowing how many XR people there are, then trying to guess how likely they are to act over a given period that would determine the threat level.

[ianlfc]

Pretty hard job to keep tabs on those on the terrorist list tbf, think it's about 25,000 individuals and some not on the list have been the actors in terrorist attacks.

25,000 monitored by the entire UK police force and army is a task in itself. There are other aspects of policing to deal with as well.

I'd say 25,000 is very conservative. I'd bet money that people in the area this fella lived in were well aware of his beliefs and no doubt his priest at his local Mosque knew all about him. People and especially religious leaders need to talk to police and tip them off to prevent such things.

[CCTV]

You misunderstand tremendously - I'm not calling them crazy. I'm saying that the experience of going to war is "something going horribly wrong". It might have been the right thing to do at the time. But it is nonetheless a traumatic and awful experience that I'm not sure humans are meant to be able to deal with.

I dont follow you, you said: Something must have gone horribly wrong in this guy's life to lead him down this path.

Having to go to war is obviously not desirable, like you say, but not going to war in the same context can be worse.
I believe there was some discussion about this in britain around ww2. Whether britain would be better off appeasing hitler or fighting a war against hitler.
Defeating hitler cost Britain alot, not fighting could've easily been worse in the longer term.

[stevie harkness]

The threat level is likely gauged separately to the number of individuals on the list. By chatter, activity and Intel.
Obviously terrorists dont liaise with security services, but it'd be like knowing how many XR people there are, then trying to guess how likely they are to act over a given period that would determine the threat level.

Well obviously nobody knows what the real threat is until it happens and hindsight is a wonderful thing but it's daft to publicly scale down the estimate given the conditions - it's Christmas shopping time and there's an election on.

[Balinkay]

I dont follow you, you said: Something must have gone horribly wrong in this guy's life to lead him down this path.

Having to go to war is obviously not desirable, like you say, but not going to war in the same context can be worse.
I believe there was some discussion about this in britain around ww2. Whether britain would be better off appeasing hitler or fighting a war against hitler.
Defeating hitler cost Britain alot, not fighting could've easily been worse in the longer term.

Yes, exactly. Doing the right thing in a given situation might lead you on a path of "something going wrong". In your example all the veterans and 600k (?) casualties the UK gave wouldn't have had their lives altered for ever (which I consider something going wrong) but then the Axis might have won the war, which would have been "wrong" as well.

Sometimes you can't win and something will go wrong either way. You have to choose what you prefer and at what point your stance changes. The powers that be decided that Czechoslovakia disappearing hadn't crossed that point, but Poland getting bodied had.

[CCTV]

I'd say 25,000 is very conservative. I'd bet money that people in the area this fella lived in were well aware of his beliefs and no doubt his priest at his local Mosque knew all about him. People and especially religious leaders need to talk to police and tip them off to prevent such things.

I would think so too.
That's the known, there are unknowns and then there's the wider community. Where they may not agree or participate, but won't squeal to the authorities. I think you'd know better how that works, not wanting to help the other side who they might deem worse, or fear of reprisal for doing so etc.

He'd been imprisoned for terrorist offenses in 2012, then released early in 2018 on condition. So not much anyone could have done about it imo, assuming he mingled with non like minded individuals.

Some religious leaders do, others drive it. Took the authorities years to get that man with the hook through courts.

Reading online comments today and over the past there's a lot of instability and accusations flying around. Growing too imo.

[CCTV]

Well obviously nobody knows what the real threat is until it happens and hindsight is a wonderful thing but it's daft to publicly scale down the estimate given the conditions - it's Christmas shopping time and there's an election on.

Christian religious holidays Easter/Christmas, or national holidays say new years/Bastille day would be the targets as they impact the 'real'/trauma/psyche more so.
They are very keen on attacking the symbolic.

But then the chatter/intel/activity plays it's part.
If you knew the attacks were coming every new years day, it wouldnt have the same impact.

[CCTV]

Yes, exactly. Doing the right thing in a given situation might lead you on a path of "something going wrong". In your example all the veterans and 600k (?) casualties the UK gave wouldn't have had their lives altered for ever (which I consider something going wrong) but then the Axis might have won the war, which would have been "wrong" as well.

Sometimes you can't win and something will go wrong either way. You have to choose what you prefer and at what point your stance changes. The powers that be decided that Czechoslovakia disappearing hadn't crossed that point, but Poland getting bodied had.

Something must have gone horribly wrong in this guy's life to lead him down this path.

Is what you said, all I'm saying is that is not neccessarily so.

He is dead now, so his life has come to an end. Which obviously isnt a good outcome with respect to self preservation. If that's what you mean.

[Balinkay]

Not exactly - I think choices were made and events took place that drove him to these awful actions. That I would consider something going wrong.

[justme]

I think its because he couldn't handle the fact his Islamic ideology and supremacy weren't being adhered to.
Isis have been eliminated and he blamed the evil west for it. while holding even worse ideas himself.