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[CCTV]

Not exactly - I think choices were made and events took place that drove him to these awful actions. That I would consider something going wrong.

I agree this fella turning up in a frenzy to kill, scar and terrify the public is something going wrong. It's a problem that's not easily resolved.

I just disagree that: Something must have gone horribly wrong in this guy's life to lead him down this path.

Quite likely this fella thinks he was like those Brits landing on the beaches for the greater good. Not that he'd see them as morally similar, as in his eyes the UK, its history and people as an evil enemy.

[Balinkay]

I don't know enough about this dude, but I'll just assume what you say is true.

I think the disagreement comes from us using "wrong" in two different ways. In this thread I've used it to sometimes characterise something happening that alters a person's mind in a way that lets them do things you and I consider awful or just generally "fucks them up" and sometimes to describe what is deviation from a morally correct action, according the whatever values you and I share.

[Kev0909]

He was living where I live 10 mins walk away, crazy

Walked past, they're searching house and all that jazz.

[stevie harkness]

Now they're saying some of the brave Londoners who tackled the terrorist were prisoners on day release.

[redebreck]

Quite likely this fella thinks he was like those Brits landing on the beaches for the greater good. Not that he'd see them as morally similar, as in his eyes the UK, its history and people as an evil enemy.

If that was the case, why was he living here? One of my arguments for Brexit hs been that people such as this should be deported.
TBH I think our government is too soft on proven terrorists, and unlikely to change any time soon.

[Balinkay]

Now they're saying some of the brave Londoners who tackled the terrorist were prisoners on day release.

Fair play to them.

[RedNoodle]

The gentleman who was killed was one of two people killed by 28-year-old Usman Khan who launched the attack at a Cambridge University conference on prisoner rehabilitation.

Rehabilitation and left leaning policies do not work when it comes to both stopping and punishing people like these and criminals in general. Firstly stop as many nutters/criminals as possible from entering the country, and secondly punish criminals adequately i.e. 'permanent removal from society' (one way or the other) for serious/repeat offenders, whilst other criminals should be incarcerated in a harsh/non comfortable enviroment i.e. basic meals, no tv or leisure activities, only educational and 'human/personal growth' activities.

[Kev0909]

Why the fuck was he allowed to live in my town, and come shopping where I work?

Baffling

[ianlfc]

Why the fuck was he allowed to live in my town, and come shopping where I work?

Baffling

They were probably trying to bring a better of class of people to the area 😃😃

[fagin]

The gentleman who was killed was one of two people killed by 28-year-old Usman Khan who launched the attack at a Cambridge University conference on prisoner rehabilitation.

Rehabilitation and left leaning policies do not work when it comes to both stopping and punishing people like these and criminals in general. Firstly stop as many nutters/criminals as possible from entering the country, and secondly punish criminals adequately i.e. 'permanent removal from society' (one way or the other) for serious/repeat offenders, whilst other criminals should be incarcerated in a harsh/non comfortable enviroment i.e. basic meals, no tv or leisure activities, only educational and 'human/personal growth' activities.

If i am reading your post correctly i'd say whichever Government comes to power in the GE the Death Penalty needs to be re-visited and voted on.
Re-habilitation isn't working and for the most part is only in place for all the bleeding hearts out there in society that cannot face the Fact that many Murderers or Terrorists are beyond the re-hab process.

[RedNoodle]

If i am reading your post correctly i'd say whichever Government comes to power in the GE the Death Penalty needs to be re-visited and voted on.

Re-habilitation isn't working and for the most part is only in place for all the bleeding hearts out there in society that cannot face the Fact that many Murderers or Terrorists are beyond the re-hab process.

I'm not a fan of the death penalty for various reasons. I would rather an incarceration variety of 'permanent removal' was available, but alas everything comes down to money, and a such politicians will bleat on about there not being enough money and space to house all these criminals (despite reduced costs from my 'no frills' approach). If that was the case then the most serious of criminals, those that are undeniably guilty, and those that pose any further risk to society should be considered for 'permanent removal'. As much as I don't like it, if it's a choice between the life and safety of one criminal/nutcase, or that of one or more good, law abiding citizens, I'm going to side with the latter every time.

We spend far too too much time, money and energy on those that almost universally will never deviate away from heinous and/or criminal acts when there are millions of people in this country (the poor, the sick/disabled, the homeless etc) who are much more deserving of all that time, money and energy.

[Nineteenx]

The gentleman who was killed was one of two people killed by 28-year-old Usman Khan who launched the attack at a Cambridge University conference on prisoner rehabilitation.

Rehabilitation and left leaning policies do not work when it comes to both stopping and punishing people like these and criminals in general. Firstly stop as many nutters/criminals as possible from entering the country, and secondly punish criminals adequately i.e. 'permanent removal from society' (one way or the other) for serious/repeat offenders, whilst other criminals should be incarcerated in a harsh/non comfortable enviroment i.e. basic meals, no tv or leisure activities, only educational and 'human/personal growth' activities.

It's privatisation and funding cuts of/to Prison service, courts, probation service, monitoring services, that's what caused it, the attacker WAS resentenced and the judge attached a strict condition that he needed to be assessed by the parole board prior to release, which didn't happen because of funding cuts

The Brexit argument for immigration is just daft, for non-EU immigration we have a points based Australian style system already, yet 269,000 was last years net migration where EU migration was 55k, none EU migration has been over 1m in the last 4 years

I've always maintained that getting involved in the US' wars and regime change for profit to steal other nations natural resources brings terror to our door, doesn't have ANY benefits for normal working people who are paying for our armed forces AND displaces millions of people who end up trying to head for Europe to escape the shit show we've left of their country

Stopping using our armed forces as a private army in US conquests would be the best first step

[dicko1969]

The Brexit argument for immigration is just daft, for non-EU immigration we have a points based Australian style system already, yet 269,000 was last years net migration where EU migration was 55k, none EU migration has been over 1m in the last 4 years.

This bit , not quite with you. Doesn't make sense. Or is it me ?

[dicko1969]

World population from 3billion in 1960 to near 8 billion in 2020 is a big issue.

We are too many people on a planet; dirty, polluted, overcrowded.

China. 1,384,688,986.
India. 1,296,834,042.
United States. 329,256,465.
Indonesia. 262,787,403.
Brazil. 208,846,892.
Pakistan. 207,862,518.
Nigeria. 195,300,343.
Bangladesh. 159,453,001
Russia 142million
Japan 126m

Top 10 Count for over 4.2billion

[dicko1969]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-48205445

Interesting re the nhs 'service'