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[dicko1969]

Since life began people always complain about public services.

Health, Education, Transport.

Plus about criminal activity.

Is it any worse than the 1980s, or 1800s

There is never a fair system wherever you live.

Africa, India, South America, Europe (UK). The world is corrupt.

World colonization is a part consequence of today's problems. Also oil or mineral thirsty world another.

Displacing millions of people by wars doesn't help either.

Of course Ethal living in East London will remember the good old days. But were they so good.

Today the world is global. People move global in a capitalist world. Rich very rich. Poor living in squalor.

What's changed?

Capitalist system works. So does communism, or liberalism.

But who for?

The death penalty, carrying a gun in the usa at 13yo, or drinking at 21yo, or being knifed in london, or being gay in some countries, or losing your 4yo girl in the battle lines between turkey and Syria.

The world has gone mad. Just like in 1916 ww1 , or the battle of crecy in 1346. As Baldrick would say "war's a horrid thing..."

[redebreck]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-48205445

Interesting re the nhs 'service'

Interesting article. Begs the question why can't we be self-sufficient and train British nurses and doctors?

[Nineteenx]

Interesting article. Begs the question why can't we be self-sufficient and train British nurses and doctors?

Because both require a degree and are relatively low paid jobs that require a lot of hours and a lot of low paid work while training

People used to go into these professions because they were relatively well salaried and they wanted to make a difference

Now it's restricted to people who want to make a difference

The problem is the Conservative Gov triple tuition fees and cut bursarys for nurse to train, this obviously has a massive affect as most students will currently leave higher education with 60k debt, it's a massive ask of people who want to make a difference, to committ to putting themselves in 60k debt, for a 20k salary to work in an environment that's increasingly stressful as the funding is cut and cut and cut under the Conservative Government and drained of billions through privatisation

I disagree with Dicko on socialism and capitalism, I think any model taken to an extreme ultimately fails, in the UK we used to have a model that combined both in which they balanced each other, it worked, indeed, even The Economist headlined recently 'For capitalism to function it needs a robust welfare state' this very headline reveals the need for capitalism and socialism to work in combination to provide balance.

Loads of scaremongering in the UK about socialism, or democratic socialism, they don't want to punish the wealthy or steal or their possessions, they don't object to people being wealthy as long as those people are genuinely wealth creators, who pair fair wages and pay their fair share of taxes they always used to, that's all it is, it's the US ideal that companies should smash profit margins every year that created the extreme capitalism that wrecked the UK and several other countries, just sheer unadulterated greed from a very small percentage of people

In the UK there's this myth the Conservatives are good with the economy, they had the perfect set up for capitalism when they came to power in 1979, because they had a very large infrastructure from socialism in place that supported the need for a robust welfare state, as they got increasingly greedy, they sold or dismantled pretty much every single part of the socialist infrastructure they needed which has led us to where we are now

People in the UK are notoriously politically unaware and stupid though, for example, the Conservative party have sold off or privatised every single public service, institution, natural resource a public company we had except the NHS, which is well underway to being privatised, the current PM Johnson is a serial liar, there are documents that outline very clearly he plans to sell off or fully privatise the NHS as part of a US trade deal, most likely by agreeing to US demands of extending drug license patents and hiking prices, at which point they will then say that because of the huge rise in drug prices they can't afford to fund the NHS anymore and we'll have to move to a US style insurance system. Johnson says he won't sell our NHS and despite all the overwhelming evidence that he absolutely will, some of them still intend to vote for him

The Conservatives have been robbing each and every tax payer blind for decades through privatisation and they're too uninterested to notice, still buy and read crappy RW newspapers and believe everything theyre told on the news.

UK privatisation in the socialism v capitalism stakes is quite literally capitalists leaching of the UK welfare state and system created by socialism, The privatisation involves not the sale of assets taxpayers have already paid billions to build and create over decades, but it effectively lets capitalists operate as a management company, the UK taxpayer pay more now for all the services that have been privatised and then extortionate bills on top of that, than they would including bills and with profits being reinvested into the service if it was still publicly owned.

Brexiters bang on about UK fishing rights to demonstrate how completely unaware and politically illiterate they are, UK fisherman having UK waters would in the eyes of free market Conservatives be a monopoly and they are the part who sold of all our other natural resources, I will 100% guarantee any Brexiter that if we leave the EU, Tories will privatise UK fishing rights, putting in place a 'management company' who will make billions out of selling the rights to fish UK waters to the EU countries that currently already do and eventually price UK fishermen out of the market entirely, especially with the tariffs to export to the EU they'll have to pay

As you might have guessed, I'm currently at my wits end with completely thick working class people who keep voting for these cunts and voting the rest of us poorer, I'm working class, I'm just not stupid

[dicko1969]

As we enter Election week can anyone planning on voting Conservative tell me why they are
With the following record from the last 9 years .
And if any of the below have affected you, maybe rethink where you put your cross on Thursday
These are VERIFIABLE FACTS.

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for people suffering mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility Allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches a new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self-harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.
Six form funding cut by 25%.
33,000 nurses leave the NHS each year.

Is this what was known as Strong & Stable

[RedNoodle]

Anyone who thinks that politicians care about anyone except themselves and those they associate with is quite frankly six cans short of a six pack, and that doesn't change just because you happen to have left or right wing views, support Labour or the Conservatives, or whether you are well off or don't have two pennies to rub together.

The fact is that there are serious issues that need to/should be addressed, and those are issues which disproportionately affect those most in need i.e. the poor, and within that subsection the sick/disabled, the young and the old. Everyone else can cope (if they are affected at all) with most of what any of these politicians/parties do.

Lots of people like to castigate others for their views on certain subjects, but like most important of things in life they should STFU unless they themselves have to deal with these issues on a regular basis e.g. Iain Duncan Smith trying to lecture the poor on how they should spend what little money they have.

[dicko1969]

There is no black or white. Even families with young kids, Britain's future get shit on.

[redebreck]

I have a bit of a dilemma.
I've never voted Conservative, and I never will. I voted for the UK to exit the EU, but I won't vote for the Brexit party because they support the tories.
I would like to vote Labour but I have concerns over Corbyn and Abbott supporting terrorism.
Any suggestions?

[teesred]

I have a bit of a dilemma.
I've never voted Conservative, and I never will. I voted for the UK to exit the EU, but I won't vote for the Brexit party because they support the tories.
I would like to vote Labour but I have concerns over Corbyn and Abbott supporting terrorism.
Any suggestions?

Abbott is simply imcompetent.
The Tories have won it already and surely after thursday Corbyn has to go. If he cannot defeat a govt that after years of austerity, decimating public services and education and also the total bollox theyve made of brexit then you are never going to.
Hes shot himself in the foot by being surrounded by idiots. Mcdonnel, Abbott and Ashworth (today really was the tinhat) and has nobody but himself to blame.
How can anyone vote for the Tories? How?
Is it because there is a huge percentage of people who simply do not give a fuck about anyone but themselves? Baby boomer, final salary pensioners? How can we as a nation be okay with a racist, incompetent tit as our prime minister? Leader of a party that has contempt for anyone less wealthy or fortunate than they are? Demonises poor people and those with disabilities and needs?
The UK is fucked. We are a racist broken nation fuelled by hate and greed.

[dicko1969]

Abbott is simply imcompetent.
The Tories have won it already and surely after thursday Corbyn has to go. If he cannot defeat a govt that after years of austerity, decimating public services and education and also the total bollox theyve made of brexit then you are never going to.
Hes shot himself in the foot by being surrounded by idiots. Mcdonnel, Abbott and Ashworth (today really was the tinhat) and has nobody but himself to blame.
How can anyone vote for the Tories? How?
Is it because there is a huge percentage of people who simply do not give a fuck about anyone but themselves? Baby boomer, final salary pensioners? How can we as a nation be okay with a racist, incompetent tit as our prime minister? Leader of a party that has contempt for anyone less wealthy or fortunate than they are? Demonises poor people and those with disabilities and needs?
The UK is fucked. We are a racist broken nation fuelled by hate and greed.

Definitely could not have summed it up better than you did.

So where are those that left both parties, not forged ahead with the liberal/social democratic or greens to make some alternative competent party.

a name like ... "the uk is fucked" party.

I bet it would get at least 40% of the vote.

[redebreck]

Have decided to vote Plaid Cymru (the party of Wales).
At least they don't have English mega-rich twots backing them and expecting government hand-outs (money WE have paid in btw).
I'd like to see the tories chucked out of office but I can't see it, and the main alternative isn't anything to celebrate.
I expect another five years of greed, selfishness, stupidity and corruption from the tory party.
Hopefully five years from now we might see a Labour party worth supporting.

[skyebo]

Have decided to vote Plaid Cymru (the party of Wales).
At least they don't have English mega-rich twots backing them and expecting government hand-outs (money WE have paid in btw).
I'd like to see the tories chucked out of office but I can't see it, and the main alternative isn't anything to celebrate.
I expect another five years of greed, selfishness, stupidity and corruption from the tory party.
Hopefully five years from now we might see a Labour party worth supporting.

We may well do, I expect Corbyn to resign when he loses tomorrow, at his age, there's nothing really to hang about for.

[RedNoodle]

We may well do, I expect Corbyn to resign when he loses tomorrow, at his age, there's nothing really to hang about for.

Other than to keep riding the gravy train as long as possible of course.

[teesred]

We may well do, I expect Corbyn to resign when he loses tomorrow, at his age, there's nothing really to hang about for.

He surely has to. If this horrid govt cant be defeated he couldt beat a one legged man in an arse kicking contest. Theyre the worst govt in living memory, they have destroyed lives with their austerity and for what? A tripled debt.
They win tomorrow and it shows this country is beyond help. Social media is the biggest threat to humanity ever not climate change. The constant barrage of fake news and pure hatred it breeds is frightening. Its the worst thing ever invented, it hasnt given our lives anything that we cannot do without.
Its given platforms to hate, talentless idiots and dominates our daily lives yet what do we gain from it?
Nothing.
Rant over.

[Balinkay]

The issue is that people aren't used to questioning every single piece of info they see in the media, tees. Be it social or not. And they must.

[RedNoodle]

The issue is that people aren't used to questioning every single piece of info they see in the media, tees. Be it social or not. And they must.

Most people don't like asking questions as it often involves facing reality and hard truths, whilst many others are either incapable of doing so, or profit from not asking questions. Lots of people prefer to live by the proverb "ignorance is bliss".