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[Steveo]

A sad day.. Robert Fisk has died.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/robert-fisk-death-middle-east-correspondent-journalist-dublin-b1514866.html

[reddownunder]

Two men have been arrested in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh for allegedly duping a doctor into buying an "Aladdin's lamp" that they promised would bring him wealth and health.

As part of the con, they even pretended to conjure up spirits from the lamp, in line with the tale from The Arabian Nights, Indian media report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-india-54759863

The doctor should be arrested for being so stupid

[CCTV]

https://apnews.com/article/austria-vienna-gunfire-several-injured-8f470e305de307b23c8e5a1a94b8036d

Kicking off around Europe, terrorist attacks in Vienna after a few incidents in France with killings and beheadings by Islamists losing their heads figuratively. Riots breaking out across Europe too over lockdowns I believe.

[RedNoodle]

The doctor should be arrested for being so stupid

So should many doctors in this country.

[Kev0909]

Watching V for vendetta- letsssssss goo get the masks on lads ending of the film on repeat

[CCTV]

A sad day.. Robert Fisk has died.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/robert-fisk-death-middle-east-correspondent-journalist-dublin-b1514866.html

Sad news, a good enough innings, looked younger.

[CCTV]

Kicking off in France again, many protesting the proposed law/bill whereby one could be sent to jail for a year and fined up to 53,000 euro over the publication of images of on-duty police officers with the intent of harming their physical or psychological integrity.
French citizens are also required to carry their papers and present them on request under the era of covid.
Jews have been leaving France for other destinations for some time too.

[reddownunder]

Is anyone else concerned at how swiftly this covid 19 vaccine is being rolled out? Now I'm no anti vaxer, quite the opposite, but aren't vaccines supposed to be tested and trialled over years instead of months? I'm certainly in no rush to get jabbed

[Balinkay]

Is anyone else concerned at how swiftly this covid 19 vaccine is being rolled out? Now I'm no anti vaxer, quite the opposite, but aren't vaccines supposed to be tested and trialled over years instead of months? I'm certainly in no rush to get jabbed

It's usually five to ten years I believe. However, COVID's genome was really quickly sequenced and everyone had basically infinite money so they could perform all test phases in parallel, rather than sequentially. That's my understanding anyway.

[skyebo]

Is anyone else concerned at how swiftly this covid 19 vaccine is being rolled out? Now I'm no anti vaxer, quite the opposite, but aren't vaccines supposed to be tested and trialled over years instead of months? I'm certainly in no rush to get jabbed

There are top doctors coming out and saying how dangerous the vaccine is and they wouldn't be having it. In some cases Doctors have been struck off for coming out with the truth. That should tell you all you need to know. If it was safe, it would be up to everyone to decide if they want the vaccine or not. Not forced upon everybody.

[ianlfc]

I've taken worse in my younger days, I'll run the risk .

[vin]

It's usually five to ten years I believe. However, COVID's genome was really quickly sequenced and everyone had basically infinite money so they could perform all test phases in parallel, rather than sequentially. That's my understanding anyway.

In terms of development but how do you track side effects? Something may show up in 7 months? You can't fast track that!

[Balinkay]

In terms of development but how do you track side effects? Something may show up in 7 months? You can't fast track that!

Well no, but something might show up in 20 years too, so you've basically always got this problem.

[stevie harkness]

I read an article by a researcher who said that yes, usually it's ten years for a vaccine but a lot of that is time spent fund raising, applying for grants, waiting, and dealing with red tape but this time they were able to skip all that bullshit.

It is concerning that the UK approved a German vaccine before Germany did but hey viva la brexit and all that.

It is concerning that they predicted in March that they'd have a vaccine by the Autumn, when a vaccine for a coronavirus had never been made before, then three come along at once, if you don't include the Russian and Chinese ones.

It's concerning that these vaccine firms have a history of court cases behind them but this time they are exempt from paying damages in the event of adverse side effects.

It's concerning that the vaccine is perfectly safe but won't be given to pregnant women or women planning to be pregnant because they don't know how it will affect them. But it's safe.

Plenty of reasons to be cautious without entertaining conspiracy theories. Funny how the media 'debunk' fake vaccine rumours yet dismiss the Russian vaccine out of hand.

I'm concerned that this will divide people into the vaxxed and unvaxxed.

[vin]

Well no, but something might show up in 20 years too, so you've basically always got this problem.

You can "eliminate" that possibility by looking at stats. There are always outliers but if you took a sample of medicines in testing and looked at the period in which time detrimental side factors became know or presented themselves - there would be few or very little at the 20-year mark. Also, these thing evolve. Whereas, in a shorter period - you'll have more that were abandoned due to negative side effects even within 1 to 2 year timeframe