Liverpool transfers in/out and rumours 22/23 + Contracts

[Taksin]

That’s how transfers happen it seems. Jurgen and Pep come in at the last minute. I wonder how much of a role Klopp had in identifying him a lad a target

[CCTV]

I don't agree with 19x. I felt that our midfield lacked something. I'm not a fan of Hendo (19x is). For example, if we add a Coutinho type player into that midfield and I think we would have been easily over line.

It's always speculation, but last year I had 2 major faults against Klopp.
1) a lack of tactical variation to maximise the squad he had to chose from
2) an overuse of Fab, Hendo & Thiago due to a lack of depth.

In the end arguably these critiques were exemplified by Carlo - boasting after their win about how he could nullify our system to a large degree as it was predictable, also boosted massively by seeing Salah in such poor form
And we had Fab & Thiago who were touch and go for the final.
With regards VAR in the final, don't think we can have any complaints.

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By any standards, Ferguson was a tough act to follow for the owners. Very successful for a very long time, dominant personality. He probably gained more and more control of transfers (and everything else) as time went on. This, it appears to me, goes hand in hand with the board becoming weaker over this time, perhaps due to atrophy as Ferguson seemed to need no-one, but perhaps for other reasons.

My impression was the club was losing its way before he retired. In fact they let him retire twice, which didn't exactly promote stability. Anyway, it turns out Moyes wasn't that bad but the board hadn't got used to uncertainty or a new process and so their own indecision lead to what has now become a decade of mistakes. Much of that was under the advice of Ferguson. It looks like now they realise they have to do things themselves and what is happening is they are adopting the model of today. They are imitating us. Once, it took us over a decade to realise we had to imitate them, now the shoe is on the other foot.

LFC now has one of the two prevailing successful ownership models. United should be able to follow it and put a little more money into transfers (I wonder when that presumption will end). Basic maths suggests that they should be able to surpass us but our recruitment model is so good that they actually have quite a lot of catching up to do. They will have to get seriously organised to be able to surpass us - that is my belief. That's because we are seriously organised.

An organised LFC is harder to beat than another club that is well organised for a number of reasons. The only way you can beat us is to way overspend your income, selling the soul of your club in the process, and get some help from VAR officials along the way.



This argument exists at every club.

Fergie succeeded under their owners. They were competing against Chelsea and then City who were inflating the market. In matching these rising clubs the experienced the difficulty of staying on top.
Their owners from what I hear should probably have put more into their stadium, which I believe to be in poor condition.
Fergie left them with a massive transfer budget, massive commercial contracts and an increased global fanbase. He gave them Moyes, a good manager, as his heir. Who they sacked after 1 year.
My take it their big mistake was not handing over a pristine squad to the next and lesser manager.

Think there's more than 2, as there are different strategies for different levels of clubs and what their ambitions are.

Why do you call it selling your soul ?
If an owner invests in a company to grow it, can turn a profit after growing the company, makes the fans happy with accelerated progress with respect to ambitions.

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Quoted by the Liverpool Echo, Ljinders recalled how he influenced Diaz’s move in it’s final stages.

“I was on a skiing trip with my wife Danielle when, during dinner, our sporting director called me,” said Lijnders. “‘You and Jurgen have to speak with Luis Diaz in five minutes."

"We’ve just agreed with Porto but Tottenham are all-in as well. I joined the call and Jurgen was explaining to Luis how he would fit into our style and that we would help him."

"He said in reference to me joining (the call) ‘but you will hear this guy much more often!’ to which I immediately said ‘but I will explain things more calmly than Sergio (Conceicao, the Porto manager)!”

“I told him: ‘We want you desperately and have been pushing for the last one-and-a-half months with our owners and our sporting director, but you know that these kinds of transfers are not easy to accomplish."

"The good thing is you will train with Virgil, Robbo and Trent and they will make you so much stronger. Our idea is to create and score; you will have to tear these guys apart each day in training, which will make you better.”

“His agent translated Jurgen’s message and Julian Ward said ‘these two will make you a better player’. I told him there were not many clubs with more history and culture than Porto but Liverpool was one of them and he would feel this."

"Julian then walked with his phone to the trophy cabinet at AXA and finished with ‘we want to add to this and that’s why we want you’. If the boy wasn’t convinced, he would be now."

"What started as a bad adventure on the slopes ended with an incredible signing. We signed the one we wanted. My crazy day couldn’t have ended better. Would he be the difference-maker for the rest of this season? We hoped so,” he added.

That doesn't help your argument much. Reads like a child's story

It's an unusual transfer, as we were forced to act in January to stave off spurs.
But for Spurs, we might not act and not have signed him for the second half of the season.
Instead waiting till the next window.

It's a similar situation this summer with Bellingham/Touchy, where there appears to be much firmer competition for his acquisition. Not as easy to beat Real as it is Spurs in the transfermarkt.
Who have a net spend less than our own over the last 6/7 years. True as of the start of last season. But then they rarely get beaten to a transfer.

[Taksin]

It reads like a a child’s story because they are like children when it comes to the budget and the hard-nosed business. They deal with the childish end of the story which is the football. You know, kicking a leather ball around on grass.

That’s the whole point of my argument. I think it’s childish to imagine Klopp is running the whole show. He clearly isn’t. Not only that but we wouldn’t want him to be either and neither would he.

[CCTV]

It reads like a a child’s story because they are like children when it comes to the budget and the hard-nosed business. They deal with the childish end of the story which is the football. You know, kicking a leather ball around on grass.

That’s the whole point of my argument. I think it’s childish to imagine Klopp is running the whole show. He clearly isn’t. Not only that but we wouldn’t want him to be either and neither would he.

It's missing large gaps of information/context and pretending it's a full story. Whilst also presented like a child tends to do.

It doesn't sound like a well worked transfer as described, one that was forced by the actions of others in attempting to land Diaz.
In such and event, scrambling occurs as people are panicking. We were lucky it was just spurs.

[Taksin]

It's missing large gaps of information/context and pretending it's a full story. Whilst also presented like a child tends to do.

It doesn't sound like a well worked transfer as described, one that was forced by the actions of others in attempting to land Diaz.
In such and event, scrambling occurs as people are panicking. We were lucky it was just spurs.

He said this;

“I told him: ‘We want you desperately and have been pushing for the last one-and-a-half months with our owners and our sporting director, but you know that these kinds of transfers are not easy to accomplish."


I’m sure these transfers are indeed not easy to accomplish

[vin]

https://www.sportbible.com/football/liverpool-news-barcelona-luis-diaz-juventus-vlahovic-20220717

Sounds like Barca were in pole position.

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Quoted by the Liverpool Echo, Ljinders recalled how he influenced Diaz’s move in it’s final stages.

"I was on a skiing trip with my wife Danielle when, during dinner, our sporting director called me,” said Lijnders. “‘You and Jurgen have to speak with Luis Diaz in five minutes."

"We’ve just agreed with Porto but Tottenham are all-in as well. I joined the call and Jurgen was explaining to Luis how he would fit into our style and that we would help him."

"He said in reference to me joining (the call) ‘but you will hear this guy much more often!’ to which I immediately said ‘but I will explain things more calmly than Sergio (Conceicao, the Porto manager)!”

“I told him: ‘We want you desperately and have been pushing for the last one-and-a-half months with our owners and our sporting director, but you know that these kinds of transfers are not easy to accomplish."

"The good thing is you will train with Virgil, Robbo and Trent and they will make you so much stronger. Our idea is to create and score; you will have to tear these guys apart each day in training, which will make you better.”

“His agent translated Jurgen’s message and Julian Ward said ‘these two will make you a better player’. I told him there were not many clubs with more history and culture than Porto but Liverpool was one of them and he would feel this."

"Julian then walked with his phone to the trophy cabinet at AXA and finished with ‘we want to add to this and that’s why we want you’. If the boy wasn’t convinced, he would be now."

"What started as a bad adventure on the slopes ended with an incredible signing. We signed the one we wanted. My crazy day couldn’t have ended better. Would he be the difference-maker for the rest of this season? We hoped so,” he added.

He said this;

“I told him: ‘We want you desperately and have been pushing for the last one-and-a-half months with our owners and our sporting director, but you know that these kinds of transfers are not easy to accomplish."


I’m sure these transfers are indeed not easy to accomplish

I've read this again, and the original post in its entirety.

I fail to see how this portrays anyone but Klopp in a good light

Sporting Director enters the scene in a panic, Spurs are gonna sign Diaz, we got to act !
Ready in 5 mins Pep, game faces on !!
Here we GO

After rubbing my face with Ski-Snow, Lijnders entres the conversation and insults the Porto manager.
Then it's really pushing the onwers and directors to get the deal done. Like wtf !!

But
"Julian then walked with his phone to the trophy cabinet at AXA and finished with ‘we want to add to this and that’s why we want you’. If the boy wasn’t convinced, he would be now."
#JobDoneBoys
Thanks Julian

[Taksin]

That’s a strange way of looking at it, CCTV. It’s not a competition to be the coolest muthafuckin footballer trader.

They got their man, they’d been working on it for a while. They didn’t over pay. They beat the competition. They laid on the cheese for the young lad and convinced him this was the right club for him. What’s not to like?

What’s interesting in terms of the conversation is how little Klopp had to do with the process.