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There's absolutely nothing new here.Originally Posted by Gurthers
If you want to read it as them laying down excuses in advance then do so - the message of sustainability has not changed at any stage - nor will it.
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Sustainability also alludes to maintaining/improving income levels. That generally requires a certain level of success on the pitch which has knock on effects on revenue streams. Unfortunately, even after all of our success and Klopps hard work in the last 7 years we find ourselves once again having to play catch up. How do we catch up with 5/6 rivals who outstanding us most years?
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Kelleher might command a decent fee if we wants to move. Think pretty much everyone else is departing, due to depart in a year or on the "hope to keep" list.
I'll be hoping for the further development of some younger lads.
Do also think we have some scope for expenditure with some of the wages that will come off the bill - Ox, Keita and Firmino's departing wages (if they all go) will amount to £420k-per-week off the bill (and there may be others going!) with the new stand hopefully bringing in around £11m-per-season too to top that up.
Hopefully clever payment structures will play a part in helping to facilitate a couple of good signings. Don't expect a £200m net spend to occur or anything, but I don't think our net spend will be tiny either.
Two mids and a centre-back would be ideal business for me if the quality and age profile is right.
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(Assuming that was meant to be "outspending" given the context and the phone has autocorrected, please correct me if I'm wrong)
I don't think we do try to catch up, in the sense of throwing the money around. Generally speaking clubs at the minute do one of two things.
1. Cash injections via State ownership (if we spent £400m they'd spend £800m and cook the books so why even try?) or
2. Cash spend via adding further debt to their clubs, which comes with increased risk depending on the extent of the debt
Now I've personally been clear that I'd rather see all football club ownership be run more sustainably rather than these dick-swinging contests. Unfortunately the World doesn't seem to want to work like that.
So for me we either make up the ground by having a better system in place to facilitate creating excellent players via our Academies supplemented with brilliant recruitment and/or ecide to take (a little) more risk by adding (some) increased debt to the club or (eventually) a time may come where we have to say our model worked up to a point, but we need a new one - possibly new owners.
Now in terms of how I feel I want football clubs in general to be run, I'm in zero rush to see the owners go. This does not mean I adore them though - there's an unfortunate tribal/binary aspect to football chatter and if you asked me to stick up for/defend billionaires in most contexts I would be in no rush to - personally just think what we have is better than the overwhelming majority of ways of doing things (thousands of Reds disagree, which is fine) and am happy to stick rather than twist.
(Putting a time limit on owner chat as I find it does me no good saying the same things over and over so probably only respond to another post or two for my own sanity, hope you understand)
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you seem to be happy being nearly men... well done on that.. the rest of us wanna win major trophies and we need massive investment.. You wanna kiss their arse so be it. You are in the minority.
Cleaning up the Scots since the 13th century
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Seems to me they wanted investment. they wanted the new investors to be the ones to pay for the transfers.. no one is willing to lose all their money.. neither were the owners. so they decided to carry on bleeding us dry..
simple really. That's why there was all the fuss over the euro league. there was no way FSG are going to fund us. and they saw the euro league a way of funding transfers as well has gaining more for themselves..
If Klopp doesn't get what he needs in the summer. I wouldn't blame him if he walked.
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I share your frustration and we do need far more investment, but to be fair to Sid, I don’t think he is kissing their arse. He is simply advocating their approach over another, which does sit better (however convenient that is for them) within the rules than the, ‘we can just chuck any old amount of dosh at the problem whenever we like the ‘petrodollar, state owned, bottomless pit variety.
Obviously there are other examples of clubs willing to be far more bullish in the market, be that the willingness to incur debt, the ‘we are too big to fail’ paradigm at United - or the passionate billionaire/loaded consortium examples at Chelsea.
It is a shame that we are going to struggle to remain competitive though. Jurgen Klopp’s don’t grow on trees
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No arse-kissing and I want us to be competitive, there's just certain models I don't want us to pursue and certain ways I think clubs should be run. No desire to repeat myself over and over. I care about the club's long-term prospects and (for now) I am content enough with more aspects of how we are run than I am annoyed about things we are missing. New stand will be finished for next season and we acquired Diaz, Núñez and Gakpo within 12 months of each other.
There was an online FSG out protest organised for before the Chelsea game. David Lynch turned up to document the numbers.
Nobody was there. If you feel strongly that you want them out, get the protests going. You have every right to do so and I am very much behind people's right to protest. Be part of the change you want to see.
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