General Transfer Thread Summer 2023

[Kev0909]

Some players aren't made for the so called top teams, Solanke for me is one of them. He should stay were he is ,play every week and become a club legend.

Maybe nunez can go bournemouth then, because he's not made for so called top teams really

[CCTV]

Dear Steveo, this is a reply that will form the basis of a new thread dedicated to a bore fest discussion of transfer spending since Summer 2013 to today.
A decade of transfers commencing with Moyes at United and a season of Suarez.. This coming January window to seal it off.

A decade is perfect for me as there are few players who play at a club that long. In terms of player turnover Gomez is longest at the club debut in 14/15.

It's a meandering post in ways.

The last decade of transfer dealings for the top 6 PL clubs

Split in 2 periods. Due to 1st article returned with my search. Mostly discussing our rivals Manu. Spending post fergie.

Summer 2013 - November 2020

Club - Income - Expenditure - Net
Manc - £367.95m -£1232.45m -£864.5m
Manu £335.35m - £1078.07m - £742.72m
Arse - £252.5m -£697.44m - £444.94m
Chel - £739.7m - £1119.65m - £379.95m
LFC - £541.05m - £772.12m - £231.07m
Spur - £447.31m - £615.21m - £167.9m

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12131750/assessing-man-utds-1bn-spent-since-sir-alex-ferguson-left-in-2013-pitch-to-post-podcast-special

January 20/21 through to the present 23/24 season. Sourced off transfermarkt and converted to £s for sum total
€1=£0.86 later

Club - Income - Expenditure - Net
Manc - €370.47m - €541m - €170.53m
Manu - €114.09m - €609.98m - €495.89m
Arse - €123.1m -€596.24m - €473.14m
Chel - €486.8m - €1197.29m - €710.49m
LFC - €170.95m - €400.65m - €229.7m
Spur €192.49m- £549.9m - €357.41m


Total since 2013/14

Manc - £686.56m -£1697.71m -£1,011.15m
Manu £434.47m - £1602.65m - £1169.19m
Arse - £358.37m -£1210.21m - £851.84m
Chel - £1158.35m - £2149.32m - £990.97m
LFC - £668.07m - £1116.68m - £428.61m
Spur - £612.85m - £1088.12m - £475.27m


In terms of net spend - 2 groups
The 4 bigger net spenders: Manu, City, Cfc & Arse,
and 2 lesser spending clubs in spurs & lfc with half to a third of their net spend.

Similar with gross - 2 groups.
Big spenders CFC.... & Mancs
3 lesser spending arsenal, lfc & spurs.

For roughly the same amount of purchases over the decade as lfc & spurs, its cost Arsenal an extra 400 mill in cash.
That's bad for them

Chelsea lead gross spending by half a billion for the decade from both mancs. Roughly double arsenal, spurs & liverpool.
With less net spend than both Manc clubs. Chelsea a player trading club.

This timeline split above, kind of shows Pep at city over the last 3 years and a low net spend... lowest of the top 6.

It also shows a last 7 years of Roman v 3 say of Toddy.

Over the last 3 years it cost Toddies Chelsea about £600m mill to purchase £1bill of players.
In the preceeding 7 seasons essentially under Roman, it cost Chelsea £380m to sign £1.1bill of players.
Under my analysis Roman > Toddy by the books.

Comparing LFC for the decade v CFC under Roman for 7 years on net spend... your go to shining light of an owner.

LFC - £668.07m - £1116.68m - £428.61m
Chel - £739.7m - £1119.65m - £379.95m

Per season
LFC - £66.8m - £111.6m - £42.8m
Chel - £105.6m- £160m - £54.3 m

In terms of ratio there's some symmetry with our operations over a decade with theirs under roman.
Of course inflation has risen due to its sources....

I'll return later to the PL top 6.
An examination of the market value of players bought and sold.
This will assess the spends further - comparing the valuation of the player at the time via transfermarkt and the fee paid or received.

For example, one time, back in 16/17....

Chelsea
Expenditure - 132.8m
Market Value of players purchased 186.3m
Good bang for bucks. Getting 1.4 times the fees

Income - 108.9m
Market Value of players sold 226.25m
50% off market value on sales.

So for the Net spend of 23.9m cash, Chelsea managed to decrease their squads overall Market Value by 40 mill.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/chelsea-fc/transfers/verein/631/plus/?saison_id=2016&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

LFC - Same year
Expenditure - 79.9m
Market Value of players purchased 141.25m
Good bang for bucks. Getting 1.42 times the fees in value - same as chelsea essentially

Income - 85.38m
Market Value of players sold 119.75m
30% off on sales.
Markedly better than Chelsea.

So for the Net profit of 5.48m, Liverpool managed to increase their squads Market Value by 21.5 mill.
Via transfers LFC were paid 5.48m to increase the value of its squad.

We added Mane, Gini & Matip in Klopps 1st summer building organically. Turning a profit after years of Net spending under BR.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/liverpool-fc/transfers/verein/31/plus/?saison_id=2016&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

Now I will just add the seasons up over the decade for each club as above. And give you the results. Spend v MV & Income v MV.

Fundamentally if we bought and sold more players, we'd have a higher turnover & gross spend, we wouldn't need to invest more. See Chelsea v other top net spenders on gross. Chelsea bought 1 billion more of players for roughly the same cost as Arsenal.
We'd be at greater risk of losing cash/value via player sales, as is the trend.
More recently we've lost a lot of talent for nowt, that could have been sold for something to reinvest.

[justme]

Looks like Sancho will be going back to Dortmund.. Imagine the laughs on Dortmund's fans/club faces. Received 73 million for him. only for him to return and on top of that..Man-united will pay most of his wages..

[teesred]

Haha I know. Imagine if he rips it up for them too. Be funny as.

[Steveo]

Dear Steveo, this is a reply that will form the basis of a new thread dedicated to a bore fest discussion of transfer spending since Summer 2013 to today.
A decade of transfers commencing with Moyes at United and a season of Suarez.. This coming January window to seal it off.

A decade is perfect for me as there are few players who play at a club that long. In terms of player turnover Gomez is longest at the club debut in 14/15.

It's a meandering post in ways.



Now I will just add the seasons up over the decade for each club as above. And give you the results. Spend v MV & Income v MV.

Fundamentally if we bought and sold more players, we'd have a higher turnover & gross spend, we wouldn't need to invest more. See Chelsea v other top net spenders on gross. Chelsea bought 1 billion more of players for roughly the same cost as Arsenal.
We'd be at greater risk of losing cash/value via player sales, as is the trend.
More recently we've lost a lot of talent for nowt, that could have been sold for something to reinvest.

You keep posting numbers that seem like a fiction to me and then you embelish them with what ifs.

You are doing a huge amount to spin FSG into far more than they are. Who was it that put the club up for sale just over a year ago again? After the club almost managed a quad? Also what was the motive? Were they broke? After multiplying their wealth by more than a factor of 10 since buying this club? Hmm..

And again, the net spend figures that I am finding look like this for last decade: They correspond with what most professionals in the sport cite as a truly miraculous achievement by Klopp - on much much smaller budgets than his rivals.

Not sure why you are trying to make what is so simple seem so complex, your way of comparing apples with apples makes absolutely no sense to me..

Below - once more and it is Über clear...

10 YEARS - TOP 6 NET SPEND to August 2023

MAN UNITED:
Net spend: €1326.42milion

MAN CITY:
Net spend: €1065.52million

ARSENAL:
Net spend: €995.72million

CHELSEA:
Net spend: €992.41million

SPURS:
Net spend: €480.91million

LIVERPOOL:
Net spend: €451.86million


Even Transfermarkt - show we are closer to Villa spend than all of our rivals bar Spurs..

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[justme]

Haha I know. Imagine if he rips it up for them too. Be funny as.

gets a goal that stops Harry Kane from winning the league.double joy

[JockStrap]

There's a thread for that discussion Victor but you're too cowardly to participate.

[JockStrap]

Obviously if I was a mod this place would improve 10x overnight.

[Steveo]

Rafa Benitez impersonator is furious - "even for a Scott."

3rd times a charm.

[JockStrap]

I'd start by deleting posts with useless YouTube videos.

Vote Jocky!!!