Your team v Bournemouth

[justincredible]

Any chance this gets postponed due to the storm?

Man up!

[Gurthers]

😂

[CCTV]

It was done once in the Austrilian league for a refs final game. Very different circumstances from refeering a Premier League game. But you know that and are trying to use deflection. The main body of the article is about the 1989 Arsenal v Millwall.

It's actually a better experiment if they players didn't know the ref was mic'd up. That way you get to see their true colours. Like Tony Adams calling the ref a cheat and then acting like a child when called out on it.

I've already explained why open mics works in Rugby and other sports but not soccer. It's due to respect for the ref that doesn't exist in football. The article proves it.

None of those are weak arguments. They are baesd on fact. Unlike your argument which is that it makes it easier to cover things up. That's more "connect the dots" stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer to see open mics in soccer matches but I know the history and therefore understand why it's not done that way. Maybe one day when they players mature a bit and the tech has been around a bit longer in soccer it will happen. It won't stop the loons shouting conspiracy though every time a ref refuses to give a penalty. That will just be another dot in their head. Also known as confirmation bias, for the poster who wanted to discuss unconscious bias but fell at the first hurdle.

What a weak argument. The arsenal players didn't know they ref was wearing a microphone.
None of them at a guess were covering their mouths to avoid lips being read either.

Your grievance about football players needing to mature is very like the football authorities, who've said football fans lack the decorum of rugby fans. Lower class peoples.

You argument is based on one example where one team didn't know the referees communication was being recorded.

That wouldn't occur if VAR was broadcast to the public. Given the big pr departments and the fact everyone would know the refs are wearing microphones. If it did occur players can be penalised.

Reality is Rugby's var works well because it is open and transparent.
The referees question to the VAR are open and that first line of communication let's everyone know where the ref stands and what the VAR is being asked.

This open process leads to higher performance and better reviews.

The goal v spurs as an example of their hidden communications being made open to the public exemplifies how broadcasting the discussion would produce higher results.

You seem to be uncomfortable with consipary claims and are seeking votes whilst running no comment on the Epstein scandal that involved the Royals (Andrew & the late Queen) and numerous politicos with child sexual abuse.

But hey some arsenal players spoke with a potty mouth back in 1989 when they didn't know they were being recorded.
Got to protect the children, you say with a hint of insincerity

[JockStrap]

What a weak argument. The arsenal players didn't know they ref was wearing a microphone.
None of them at a guess were covering their mouths to avoid lips being read either.

Your grievance about football players needing to mature is very like the football authorities, who've said football fans lack the decorum of rugby fans. Lower class peoples.

You argument is based on one example where one team didn't know the referees communication was being recorded.

That wouldn't occur if VAR was broadcast to the public. Given the big pr departments and the fact everyone would know the refs are wearing microphones. If it did occur players can be penalised.

Reality is Rugby's var works well because it is open and transparent.
The referees question to the VAR are open and that first line of communication let's everyone know where the ref stands and what the VAR is being asked.

This open process leads to higher performance and better reviews.

The goal v spurs as an example of their hidden communications being made open to the public exemplifies how broadcasting the discussion would produce higher results.

You seem to be uncomfortable with consipary claims and are seeking votes whilst running no comment on the Epstein scandal that involved the Royals (Andrew & the late Queen) and numerous politicos with child sexual abuse.

But hey some arsenal players spoke with a potty mouth back in 1989 when they didn't know they were being recorded.
Got to protect the children, you say with a hint of insincerity

Look, if you can't see the difference in respect between rubgy players and soccer players towards the ref then let's park this conversation here. Your loss.

[jimmyliver]

That's a very weak argument. It is typical of the authorities rationalisation for no transparency with VAR.

The arsenal players didn't know about the referee wearing a microphone back in 1989. That's you reason for why VAR can't be broadcast and transparent.

The article you posted suggests it was done again recently. Did you not read the article ?

The referees in rugby typically tell the players to go away when communicating with the video referees.

My mind is made up that rugby has it right, whereas football authorities scramble for excuses to keep the process from being transparent.

Your right it does work in rugby , but as mentioned before the issue around the referee is paramount, a referee in rugby is afforded time to have open dialogue with the other in the monitor room with out ANY player interference .
Also listen to the way that they speak to each other in rugby regarding the decision , they will be quite informal but get to the right decision really quickly . In football VAR they communicate like robots,
The referee in rugby relationship with the players is also massively difference , some of the best rugby referees in the game will openly tell a player straight and the decision will be respected.
In football I’m convinced that when a VAR decision is being made a ref has to have open lines of communication we can all hear, and if any player comes within 5 metres they get an automatic yellow .

[JockStrap]

Let’s see if eggy classifies that as pathetic.

The cat must have got Eggy’s tongue. And his morals.

[eggy81]

The cat must have got Eggy’s tongue. And his morals.

Sorry. Didn’t see this until now. Don’t be in here as often as I used to be.

You’re an antagonistic tosser.

[JockStrap]

Sorry. Didn’t see this until now. Don’t be in here as often as I used to be.

You’re an antagonistic tosser.

No. You’re a coward. Happy to debate.

[eggy81]

No. You’re a coward. Happy to debate.

Debating nothing with you you absolute melt. Go spell the alphabet phonetically you dribbling muppett.