Match Thread : Man Utd v Liverpool

[toshin]

The missing chances is the result of dropping or stopping practicing our more direct play & counters

We overplay too much, make 3 or 4 extra passes needlessly try & be clever & play a one two when it’s there to be hit or a stupid flick or backheel & it’s fucking annoying to watch

We actually successfully reverted to being more direct to overcome Sheff UTD getting it wide & getting crosses in and just playing the right ball when it’s on or whacking it when it’s there to be hit as we did for Gakpos & Macs goals

Nunez’s miss was poor today.but Diaz passing it when he should have been slotting it near or far post instead if playing another needless pass was even poorer

Yeah it doesn't appear we can play that way or don't practice it enough. City for example always pick the right short pass into the box from the fullback/winger for the receiver who usually hits it first time.

Id prefer we dominated and didn't win than what utd did.
We were a jota or trent away from winning imo.
Also Elliot should have been on earlier. He's great when we have tons of possession and around the box.

It's not over, arsenal will drop points Chelsea/Spurs/utd and thankfully we're ahead of city who I feel only have one game they might potentially struggle in. Hopefully get a little distracted by CL too.

[Nineteenx]

Yeah it doesn't appear we can play that way or don't practice it enough. City for example always pick the right short pass into the box from the fullback/winger for the receiver who usually hits it first time.

Id prefer we dominated and didn't win than what utd did.
We were a jota or trent away from winning imo.
Also Elliot should have been on earlier. He's great when we have tons of possession and around the box.

It's not over, arsenal will drop points Chelsea/Spurs/utd and thankfully we're ahead of city who I feel only have one game they might potentially struggle in. Hopefully get a little distracted by CL too.

We can play like that, we’ll get better & better at it I always bang on about mixing it up more & having spells of being more direct for 10 minutes or so, to use & try the balls over the top our long diagonals, our switches, releasing our full backs to put quality delivery in, the full backs putting the ball in early & direct from deeper as Robbo did for Gakpo, because in that direct style players had more obvious triggers to make their runs & the players passed & crossed the ball to set up the chance a lot better

I think we should have spells playing that way as we’re great at it, I think it will help the new side of our game in decision making & final ball and we’ll score goals from it & surprise teams with a sudden switch up

We got the players who could all play the switches Mac Szobo Nunez Diaz Gravenberch Robbo & even Elliott now too and we rarely use it We scored so frequently through switch to the left forward or full back bringing it down releasing the other one to score or assist, like that 2 or 3 passes & the players on our right knew what was coming & quickly started to get well positioned for any ball or party coming in from our left

Just don’t see why it has to be one or the other, if we were as clinical & lethal on the counter as we used to be and as devastatingly direct and as consistently good in the press together with our new way of playing we’d be walking this league right now

That’s what I meant about not throwing the baby out with the bath water, if you’ve got world class skills in some aspects of the game surely you add to them, not replace one with the other

[CCTV]

Perspective. Well played.

People are rightfully gutted not to win, but we have chalked off another game.

7 left. If we can win them, Man City are powerless. Different with Arsenal due to their goal difference, but if we won 7 and they won 6, we'd have done enough.

Europa a distraction in the week, then try to beat Crystal Palace at Anfield - one of very few chances remaining for fans to remind Jürgen how thankful they are.

Bigger, bigger picture - look at our opponents today. That draw has ensured that they almost certainly don't play Champion's League football next season, yet they're singing "Jürgen's cracking up" at the end - how far they have fallen is ridiculous.

Every League season is a battle, but the war for Football is forever and we are much better placed for next season than many sides.

Perspective!!

We've lost our advantage to a team that wasn't going to make top4.

Decisions have cost us, as has game management today.
4 points dropped and a cup exit to that shower of shite. It's almost too much to take.

Kind of like Man City (who are behind us) losing to Wolves?

It happens.

Well I'm glad you have found a positive perspective from today's result.

We were 2-1 down.

Right now we could be listening to Sky having a Wank-a-thon about Mainoo and our heads would wilt massively.

As it is, a disappointing result overall (we wanted a win) but salvaging a draw in the end keeps us in the hunt.

The stronger side can fail to win in these clashes. We got results against Man United in the 90s despite being terrible.

Nobody is celebrating a draw, but I'm much happier about the result than I was after Mainoo's finish!

Bigger, bigger picture - look at our opponents today. That draw has ensured that they almost certainly don't play Champion's League football next season, yet they're singing "Jürgen's cracking up" at the end - how far they have fallen is ridiculous.

We did lose to them recently in the cup. We've lost a winning position 3 times now in our last 2 games and a draw earlier in the league at Anfield.
I fear using a metaphor for being banned off the forum.

0.71 XG produced their 2 goals
Defensively minus 1.29

3.6 XG produced our 2 goals
Offensively minus 1.6

Today we were as bad in gifting them goals as we were at missing our own.
4 points dropped v that shower of shite.

We need arsenal to drop points now and win our respective game, giving us a 2 point swing.
So a loss or a draw makes little difference.
It's unlikely goal difference comes into it between us and arsenal. They're playing more steadily than us at present.

If its not us, I do hope it's arsenal over city.

CCTV was, to my understanding, saying we shouldn't be dropping points against a side that isn't challenging for the Champion's League spots.

I was highlighting the fact that Man City have already done so by losing to Wolves.

It happens. After 31 games we are ahead of Man City and level with Arsenal.

I am disappointed with not winning. However I am delighted (given that we were 2-1 down) with ensuring we got a draw to keep our hopes alive.

Everyone has been willing to say Man City or Arsenal "will" win when they have been behind us - so we should be able to maintain some hope that we might win given that we are level with the League leaders and ahead of Man City.

Nobody is celebrating a draw

I mocked your positive spin, where you said,

"Bigger, bigger picture - look at our opponents today. That draw has ensured that they almost certainly don't play Champion's League football next season, yet they're singing "Jürgen's cracking up" at the end - how far they have fallen is ridiculous."

By saying...
"Perspective!!

We've lost our advantage to a team that wasn't going to make top4."

United weren't making top4. Our getting a draw and robbing them of 3 points is no real factor in that reality, them not finishing in the top4.
It's a demented take away/spin.

Their odds were very long, granted. But while it's mathematically plausible they shouldn't be relinquishing it.

They're singing about Jürgen "cracking up" at full-time when they have just gone from a win to a draw.

They are a mid-table. We however, are competitive. Level with this season's challengers, a point ahead of last season's Champions.

Hence - "perspective".

Your perspective today.....

we've maybe reduced their odds of qualifying for the CL....

Today was about our title aspirations, their top4 aspirations are done.
You're more deluded than their fans mocking Jurgen after today's result.

Win, lose or draw for them today, Villa & Spurs have better odds for top 4.

Manu were 6 points off Villa if the won both their games in hand, they were 9 points off spurs with 8 games to play each.
In contrast we are now 3rd favourite for the league after today's result/outing.

They've dumped us out of the cup, potentially thwarted our title ambitions and we've lost a winning position 3 times in 2 games v them in the last few weeks.
That's Jurgen Klopps LFC v ETH's yanited.

You're twisting my "perspective" comment massively and I think you know it.

I'm saying I would rather be a competitive side (we are) than be an upper mid-table side that is more obsessed with denying their opponents than bettering themselves.

Standards at Man United have massively fallen. That draw they got today and a win in a Cup game in a tournament where they will likely eventually lose in a Final to their city rivals are the highlights of their season.

It is great that we are nothing whatsoever like them.

Does not for a single second mean that their situation was my priority of focus today, but equally doesn't mean I can't mention their situation as an aside.

I directly quoted you and explained that it was silly to suggest we slightly furthered their odds for CL football after today's game.

Still trying to spin. Had we beaten them today, its arguably our toughest/boogiest fixture left for the campaign.

Our 2 title rivals would be a bit deflated and both have a more than decent chance of winning the champions league their prioritisation would likely have shifted.

I know what you posted and I know what I've ridiculed. Maybe read back the thread dickhead

But Sid being neurodivergent we know such insults are true of the neurotypicals so find them amusing & laughable rather than insulting

It’s like Israel trying to accuse anyone else of being discriminatory

Maybe Israelis are God's neurodivergent people ?
You know the mancs ruined their lives !! They never did nothing wrong.

Normally I laugh stuff off, but there's been a few little snide ones with CCTV including a chat where hobbies and business where discussed and him saying about being able to figure out where I lived etc - and with him there's never a sense of it being in good, banterous spirit.

Perhaps I am over-sensitive. I never use the ignore function permanently (4th time in 15 years I think) but I'll not be listening to any more of that shite this evening, nor in the coming days.

1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. Fascinating, how did you interpret it ? Did you consider it a threat that I said I could probably find you by the amount of details you've shared on here. You did post your Facebook link to your business site on here before, which would have made the tracking quite easy, so I think it's safe to say my comment was not a threat of any sorts if that is what you are insinuating.
If not convinced you could consider me to be lacking the effort to track you down having made a serious threat.
Or you might consider it some form of banter since you usually laugh stuff off.
4. Not the first time. You blocked me last year too for arguing wed be better off without keita or Ox, even losing them for fuck all or cancelling their contacts. Well at least you said you did.

Many of the above posts are between myself and yourself. Some are to or from others. Hence read back the thread dickhead was an appropriate response.
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To quote Lacan: “Language is meant to be misunderstood.”
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/jacques-lacan-best-and-least-known-psychoanalyst
https://medium.com/@pantelisgiamouridis/we-are-all-mad-down-here-a-lacanian-perspective-on-mental-illness-c51d5a6803a5
Beware mental health experts who seem to be making things worse.

[CCTV]

Direct insult and throwing out "demented" and "deluded" on a forum where at least 2 users are openly Neurodivergent.

The ignore list it is.

Ciao Bella.

See my last suggestion. Beware your mental health experts.

[CCTV]

For clarity, would you say the following depicts or implies deluded or demented persons ?
I said you were more deluded/demented than them, as that's what I took your text to mean.

"Bigger, bigger picture - look at our opponents today. That draw has ensured that they almost certainly don't play Champion's League football next season, yet they're singing "Jürgen's cracking up" at the end - how far they have fallen is ridiculous"

And if so, did you victimise yourself and other ND's on the forum but let it slide only to get upset when I did so on the forum.

[JockStrap]

This thread haes certainly taken a turn.

I thought th' FA Cup game wis a yin off. Ah ne'er expected us tae dae exacty th' same again. We kin still win th' league bit if we ur tae lose it that Utd gam wull be yin we look back oan.

[ianlfc]

Jurgen said when asked post match that Utd will 100% lose to Arsenal if they play like today.
Good to see the boss secretly throwing a grenade like that🤣

I said the same. It's true though Arsenal would've won easily yesterday just like City did the other week.
We've dropped 4 points this season against a shite football team.
Over 60 shots in 3 games and we never won 1 says it all.
The sooner Jotas back the better.

[Kev0909]

A total of 28 shots - the most on record by an away side at Old Trafford in the Premier League - and yet only two goals scored. Liverpool's wastefulness cost them. and lets not forget one of them was a penalty other we got a little lucky with how bal ltravelled and poor asf defending

What's honestly going on with front 3? they're all shite, we make so many chances salah is off form and we struggle

[ianlfc]

A total of 28 shots - the most on record by an away side at Old Trafford in the Premier League - and yet only two goals scored. Liverpool's wastefulness cost them.

What's honestly going on with front 3? they're all shite, we make so many chances

Mo has went from Bobby and Sadio, two very experienced brilliant footballers to Darwin and Luis 2 very inexperienced footballers and it shows especially on the biggest stage.
We're still in it, but that was a huge kick in the balls for our chances . Saying all that we'll probably put 10 past Palace next week !!

[Kev0909]

Mo has went from Bobby and Sadio, two very experienced brilliant footballers to Darwin and Luis 2 very inexperienced footballers and it shows especially on the biggest stage.
We're still in it, but that was a huge kick in the balls for our chances . Saying all that we'll probably put 10 past Palace next week !!

Luis ain't a wee kid or young, nunez isn't that young anymore, never going to improve to the standards we need. football terms obviously all footballers are young.

thing is we don't do anything in the summer about the attack things are only going to get better when Klopp won't be here with the attack... he's pushed them far as they can go as players imo, things won't get better will they?

Shame jota spends half of the season injured, could do with another jota who's injury-free, even if that means a few out the door.