WhiteChildrenMatter 2024/25 PL season

[justme]

Fetuses are NOT children. on that note.. cheerio

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Fetuses are NOT children. on that note.. cheerio

Fetus, definition:

● The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.
● in humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo.

I guess you're one of those abort at any stage kind of people.

There are examples of people arguing for abortion after birth, from 2 weeks to a couple of months.

"In the Journal of Medical Ethics, "Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva argue that because there are no significant differences between a fetus and a neonate, in that neither possess sufficiently robust mental traits to qualify as persons, a neonate may be justifiably killed for any reason that also justifies abortion. To further emphasise their view that a newly born infant is more on a par with a fetus rather than a more developed baby, Giubilini and Minerva elect to call this 'after-birth abortion' rather than infanticide. ..."

[Crimson Dynasty]

Fetus, definition:

● The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.
● in humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo.

I guess you're one of those abort at any stage kind of people.

There are examples of people arguing for abortion after birth, from 2 weeks to a couple of months.

"In the Journal of Medical Ethics, "Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva argue that because there are no significant differences between a fetus and a neonate, in that neither possess sufficiently robust mental traits to qualify as persons, a neonate may be justifiably killed for any reason that also justifies abortion. To further emphasise their view that a newly born infant is more on a par with a fetus rather than a more developed baby, Giubilini and Minerva elect to call this 'after-birth abortion' rather than infanticide. ..."

Fetuses are not children.

Nothing in that definition you posted changes that fact.
And it's conventional practice when you post a definition to also include the source from whence you're posting that definition so that the audience can ascertain that said source does not share the same space as your rectal cavity.

Also, if it happens 'after birth', then by definition its Murder (or more specifcally 'homicide' or 'infanticide') , and not 'abortion'.

There are laws for that.
And there's a reason the law calls it "murder" ('Homicide',...specifically) and not "abortion" - even for a newborn baby just fresh out of the womb.

Try to see if you can figure out why.

And another point of note : Giubilini and Minerva are not lawyers, experts in law nor lawmakers. Their OPINION on whether it should be referred to as infanticide, homocide or abortion is entirely irrelevant to the actual law and how the law works.

Also worth noting: Neither of them are medical experts, physicians, have any experience in actually practising medicine nor conducting medical research.

As you were.

[Crimson Dynasty]

OK, a post about me. Oh you are so verbally wicked.

Try and ignore the thread. You seem incapable of making any worthwhile contribution on the matters at hand. Same for others.

I'll be making mine as I go, I'm aware the club has connections with 2 organisations that are very pro-abortion politically.

In the USA its led to 17 out of 60 million abortions being black. By share of population you would expect 8 million. An extra 9 million. I think that is not good for the black community in America.

If the club's stance on abortion or its affiliation with organisations supporting abortion or the right of abortion offends you, then find another club to support.

Simple.

It's not that complicated.
They don't have to bow to your preferences.


And stop using black people and the black community as a cheap tacky cudgel in your vacuous argument , to make your non-existent and silly point.

You don't care about black people or what happens to black people in America nor elsewhere.
Quite the opposite.
You're offended by the fact that footballers and others in society perform gestures showing support in their fight against racism, and yet here you sit shamelessly acting like you give a toss about them.
You truly are pathetic.

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'A leading abortion provider says more needs to be understood about why some women have repeat terminations.

Marie Stopes UK, which carried out 65,000 abortions last year - many of them for the NHS, has been investigating the issue..........

Get's easier'

A 23-year-old woman, whom we have given the false name Lisa, who has had four abortions has said she wants others to learn from her "careless actions".
She said she does not think terminations are right - but she did not wish to have three or four children with different fathers.
She said: "With the first one, you don't know what's going to happen. You're scared and anxious.
"But once you see all the other women there, it doesn't make you feel that bad.
"And it does get easier with the more you have. I know that sounds really bad, but that is just how it is."

'Careless actions'
Lisa had her first abortion at the age of 18. She went ahead with her second pregnancy - and her daughter was born when she had just turned 20.
She then had another abortion when she was 21, and her third and fourth last year - at the age of 22.
Two of the terminations resulted from brief relationships - the other two while she was seeing a man who was drinking and jobless.
Lisa said: "I was really careless. I can't blame anyone else.
"I should have been more responsible, because I've killed a life now. And it wasn't that baby's fault.
"I thought that if I could tell my story, maybe young women would think twice about having sex without contraception, or sleeping with guys they don't really know.
"I want to tell other women that abortions aren't just something you should do. It could change your life."
She added: "I've tried the pill, the patch, the injection, the coil and the implant. And they didn't work.
"I bled continuously while I was on them. And the coil gave me pains, so I had to take that out after a month.
"No one wants to keep on having terminations - so I have tried different methods of contraception but they don't seem to work for me."
All of Lisa's abortions took place in the first two months of pregnancy.
She works in the public sector in London, and hopes to buy a house one day.
Lisa said: "When I was in school, there was no kind of sex education talk. My mum and family just brushed it under the carpet.
"The only person that did really help me was the nurse at the clinic at my doctors' surgery.
"They had a clinic every Tuesday for 16 to 19 year olds.
"When you have an abortion, they talk to you about what steps you can take afterwards.
"They give you a lot of help - but at the time you just want to get out of there. You're not really listening."
Lisa said she did not have any regrets.
She added: "I don't think abortion is all right at all. But I did what was best for me and my daughter at the time.
"I don't want to have three or four kids, by three or four different dads."


Answers needed'

Marie Stopes UK's director of policy, Genevieve Edwards, told me she'd like to see the abortion rate coming down faster.
She said: "Our research shows all sorts of women of all ages can experience repeat unwanted pregnancy.
"In the past we've failed to tackle this, because we didn't want to stigmatise women."
The general secretary of the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children (SPUC), Paul Tully, said: "Increasing the provision of contraception isn't going to reduce the abortion rate.
"Contraception doesn't address the social, financial and relationship reasons which are usually the drivers for women to seek abortions.
"We need to answer those problems, and then we'll see the abortion rate coming down."

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-27146483

That is abortion providers discussing abortion rates. They provide about a quarter of the uk's abortions.

Since 2014 there are an extra 30,000 abortion per year.

The continuing downward trend cited is essentially dishonest. A brief and small decline, the general trend is rapidly increasing

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If the club's stance on abortion or its affiliation with organisations supporting abortion or the right of abortion offends you, then find another club to support.

Simple.

It's not that complicated.
They don't have to bow to your preferences.


And stop using black people and the black community as a cheap tacky cudgel in your vacuous argument , to make your non-existent and silly point.

You don't care about black people or what happens to black people in America nor elsewhere.
Quite the opposite.
You're offended by the fact that footballers and others in society perform gestures showing support in their fight against racism, and yet here you sit shamelessly acting like you give a toss about them.
You truly are pathetic.

I'm not easily offended. Your posts are boring.

[miller0863]

Seriously mate take this elsewhere ffs

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Look ye could just ignore this thread.

Even ignore the abortion providers pretending "she'd like to see the abortion rate coming down faster."
Its not going down.

Ignore the weak sentencing, ignore child stabbings & child sexual abuse. Etc

As said this campaign, WhiteChildrenMatter, a subset of All Children Matter, is only starting. In its infancy.

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There is a clear connection between early 20th century eugenicists, Stopes, Sanger, Galton, etc etc & reproductive rights as a means to cull the lower working classes, whilst concerned about upper classes availing of it.

They believed that by introducing reproductive rights they could produce a healthier genetic/eugenic society.

Today between class within societies, and between nations globally we can see some degree of income at play in abortion.

● Within the UK per 1 upper quartile abortion there are 3 lowest quartile abortions.
● Politics/Culture plays its part too, in the USA, Latinos & Black Americans are largely equivalent on income & IQ yet a large disparity on abortion rates.
● Similarly between Asians & Whites, whites failing compared with Asians on abortions - far more white abortions.
● Even left v right an abortion disparity within the west at least. Lefties abort more. So in the upper class you'll find more left wing aborted offspring.
● A concern for left wing strategists
Having aborted so many of their own voterbase they need to replace the aborted voter.
● Effectively in term of numbers the UK is outsourcing reproduction & voting via immigration to replace its aborted population.

25% of all pregnancies are aborted in the UK, up massively by decade
(20% in 2014 the time from the stopes piece).
33% globally, 3rd world 40%.

The 3rd world (largely subsaharan Africa), Islamic nations, parts of Central America & India generally are the only places producing replacement rate or above. Rest below it.

In reality abortion relies on the idea that whilst in possession of the child, pregnant with child, she the mother has the right to end that life for some reason in theory like a hard case,
and more commonly in reality on demand, unapologetically and unashamed. New era branding.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/blog/i-had-three-abortions-and-im-not-ashamed
● mental health issues, addiction issues and contraception issues.
● raised in a christian household with little sex education, she opted not to have her child with a man who offered to be father, the other potential fatherhood candidate lolsing at her.

Along this timeframe, the numbers of abortions rise steadily, and health measures decline. As cited with links already.

I would argue this way of thinking is having a clear deleterious effect on society. The eugenicists theory in effect being dysgenic for society.

In terms of fertility and family, more abortions are occurring in older women, women are getting pregnant later, and largely don't get enough sleep if working full time, have less kids in general, with a lesser amount of fathers in total. More women & men without children.
Society having less sex per generation & far more abortions per generation.
Tax policies essentially incentivise 3rd child abortions in 2 parent working families, the child that would break the bank for many.

The idea of women making a free choice, under no duress in a medical setting supported by the mighty state, well that's notional at best.
In reality male reproductive rights aka absent fathers, make up for a lot of abortions.
Declining numbers of social housing builds for the working class natives & the treatment of Rotherhams etc girls show up policing & healthcare.

Ideally a family now works 10 days a week, has some childcare costs outside of school, spends less time with their children. Families more widely are in many cases seperated more by distance.

There's a lot more to cover here than abortion. However that mindset damages kids and society.
73 million abortions per year amongst declining birth rates, ageing populations, and declining health scores.

So far, in response to Catholic Irish gibes, I've produced a Marie Stopes rep pretending the abortion rate is coming down, and claimed that this was a continued desire. A good thing
It seems maybe abortion service users & providers in the UK share this Catholic Irish concern...

98% of abortions come under the category of mental health. Aka on demand. This area of life will be discussed more.

About 43% of all abortions in a year in the UK, are returnig customers, having 2nd or further abortions. Overall about 1 in 3 women have abortions in the UK iirc over ther life time.

About 30% of women in the UK, refuse testing to identify if a child has down syndrome.
Of the 70% who do take the test. 90% abort the downser.
From a 100% of DS population, 63% of all downs kids are aborted in the UK. In reality this is very likely to be increasing. That is quite a reduction & win for the eugencists.

In regards justme, nobody views their "fetus' in a scan as anything other than a baby. The argument is fundamentally the right to end life based on ownership. The fetus, references the early child. The clump of cells, zygote stage predates the fetus, interestingly if the zygote phase continued for the full term of pregnancy it would be the size of the moon approximately. It's amazing how this has been debased to just a clump of cells.

In repost to CD, you seem incapable of making an argument, or correcting any matters of fact. Just some keyboard full of spittle. The frothy liquid secreted by the nymphs of froghoppers. I don't mind the froth if it has some substance.

"LifestyleHealth & FamiliesFeatures

1 in 3 women has an abortion, and 95% don't regret it – so why are we so afraid to talk about it?

More than half of women were using contraception when they became pregnant, and 47,000 women die every year as a result of the complications of unsafe abortions where it's illegal

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/1-in-3-women-have-an-abortion-and-95-don-t-regret-it-so-why-aren-t-we-talking-about-it-10392750.html

20% of all pregnancies were aborted then.
25% now.

Britain's fertility.

Main points

• The total fertility rate (TFR) decreased to 1.49 children per woman in 2022 from 1.55 in 2021; the TFR has been decreasing since 2010.

• Fertility rates decreased overall and in each age group, except for women aged under 20 years where the fertility rate increased.

• There were 605,479 live births in England and Wales in 2022, a 3.1% decrease from 624,828 in 2021 and the lowest number since 2002; the number remains in line with the recent trend of decreasing live births seen before the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.

• There were 2,433 stillbirths in 2022, a decrease of 164 (6.3%) from 2,597 in 2021.

• The stillbirth rate in 2022 decreased to 4.0 stillbirths per 1,000 total births from 4.1 in 2021; this is higher than the rate seen before the coronavirus pandemic in 2019 (3.9).

• The number of births outside of marriage or civil partnership remains higher than births within marriage or civil partnership in England and Wales; 311,306 live births (51.4%) were registered to women outside of a marriage or civil partnership.


Replacement level*

Replacement fertility is the level of fertility required for the population to replace itself in size in the long term. In the UK, women would need to have, on average, 2.08 children to ensure long-term "natural" replacement of the population.*

(If 605 k children = 1.49 fertility rate
Then 845k children = 2.08 fertility)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2022refreshedpopulations

Key points in 2022

There were 251,377 abortions for women resident in England and Wales in 2022 - the highest number since the Abortion Act was introduced and an increase of 17% over the previous year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-statistics-for-england-and-wales-2022/abortion-statistics-england-and-wales-2022

605k + 251k = 856 k.
11k more than replacement rate.

A replacement rate would be fairly reasonably expected whilst allowing for traditional hard cases. 1-2% of all pregnancies, 8,500 or 17,000 abortions.


Whatever argument one might like to put forward.
• the right to abortion is vital for individual women to achieve their full potential
Just one example
https://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/mother/for_1.shtml

There are consequences to those arguments, and weaknesses to them.

https://news.sky.com/story/huw-edwards-former-bbc-presenter-given-suspended-sentence-over-indecent-images-of-children-13214373

Huw Edwards has been spared jail for accessing indecent images of children as young as seven.

The former*BBC*presenter was sentenced at Westminster Magistrates' Court in London after he*pleaded guilty*to three counts of "making" indecent images of children.

The court heard how he paid up to £1,500 to a paedophile who sent him 41 illegal images between December 2020 and August 2021, seven of which were of the most serious type

Of those images, the estimated age of most of the children was between 13 and 15, but one was aged between seven and nine.

Sentencing him, chief magistrate Paul Goldspring told Edwards his "reputation is now in tatters" and called his crimes "extremely serious offences".

The*disgraced broadcaster*held his hands together and leaned forward throughout the hearing as he was handed six months' imprisonment, suspended for two years.

As part of his sentence, the 63-year-old must attend a sex offender treatment programme and 25 rehabilitation sessions.

He is also required to sign the sex offenders' register for seven years and pay £3,128 in costs and a victim surcharge.

Following the sentencing, a BBC spokesperson said: "We are appalled by his crimes. He has betrayed not just the BBC, but audiences who put their trust in him."
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For me these trends connect in with abortion. I can leave it aside for now as more to do.

This a fledgling campaign. Apologies for the erratic & chaotic presentation of figures.

Climate, Wars, Famine, Diversity, Mental Health, Criminal Justice, Education, Work-Life deficit on home, no-work deficit in home...
Lots to talk about other than abortion, even the overrepresentation of migrants in Germanys sex worker industry. Enjoying their new found human rights....

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/08/sex-workers-rights-are-human-rights/

1 in 8 men frequent a much smaller number of prostitutes each year typically.
In ze totally like anti-racist Germany, you can a buy a pint, lunch and a prostitute on your lunch break.
Each taxed & legal. More likely an eastern european, african or latin-american girl/woman. Legalisation according to critics has merely industrialised the industry.

I was the first to post about the Southport stabbings on the forum as I recall in off topic.
https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?309151-This-country-(the-UK)-has-gone-to-shit-Discuss/page5
If there's something specific anyone thinks they need to talk about in off-topic, it is open to all.

This thread started roughly 2 weeks later. A call on the PL & LFC to host WhiteChildrenMatter, a subset of All Children Matter. A counter-weight to its pro-abortion & anti-child campaigns.

You're looking at a quarter million kids being aborted each year now in the UK.
These aborted are replaced via immigration.
Those imported counterweights are promoted as the strength of the nation, diversity is your strength.
This seems a rather barbaric eugenics program in effect. Abort your own, then bring in Islamic & African, Asian & Eastern European to replace Britain's disproportionately aborted native left wingers. This keeps the right wing from winning elections to a degree and offsets the economic reality of abortion, Britain were it not for immigration/outsourcing reproduction, would be going through an era where house prices would be lower, rents lower and the value of children would be far higher.
Many quite morally smug about being anti-racist on the back of a quarter million kids being disposed of as medical waste.

The intended hard cases, like rape & incest, ffa & risk of death to mother, make up a fraction of all cases.
In terms of rape & incest, it seems man has never been kinder and more lenient on pedophiles & rapists. Whilst health scores plummet.
A celebrated eugenics program and a core value of the NHS, unsurprisingly.
I conclude it is not part of a eudaimonic flourishing.

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3 former abortionists, the woman doctor aborted aborted her own child. Another aborted his niece and that aborted child's mother lost her only born kid, he aborted her potential only surviving child.
3 abortion users. 1 who worked for plant parenthood. Interestingly she only realised the clump of cells idea line was bs when putting together the little body parts after her first job/child.
I've not posted a 12-16 week clump of cells image into the thread yet, however, I will say mid-trimester developmental impacts can be seen in suicide by birth month studies. That is the level of life and development at this stage.

Essentially in the northern hemisphere if you are born in April/May/June, you are more likely to be a suicide victim. This effect is more pronounced in women.
Essentially the lack of daylight during the midtrimester in winter for the mother (S.A.D.) impacts the future development of the child. The bleak winter months lead to higher risk of suicide later in life for the child
This effect dissipates as you approach the equator and is the opposite in the southern hemisphere. 6 months off the northern hemisphere.

One of the above abortionists discusses an article, that compared the holocaust with abortion. She admits how the de-humanisation allowed her to conduct her duty to the state. She admits she knew the fetus was a child, she could tell she was sucking up the head by the pigmentation of the brain fluid.

Child welfare, all those other topics will carry on over the season. I've covered a good amount of the topic of abortion in the post above and its consequences

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Feel this thread is worth a bump given the week that's been.