Reply With QuoteYou'll get punished more for running off with a pint and not paying for it..Originally Posted by miller0863
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Squad N0 1
Nope Kev it really doesn’t matter as the Premier League are powerless to give either club any meaningful punishment.
They just pick on the likes of Everton and Forest to make it look like they’re making clubs stick to the rules …. flat track bullies.
First Team
You'll get punished more for running off with a pint and not paying for it..
Rowdy Yates
Yea but be fair Kev - there’s no excuse for that
First Team
Dunno these days, you seen a price of a decent pint?
First Team
I have a remedy for the decline of pubs.... remove all duty on alcohol served to a customer and massively increase duty on all alcohol bought in shops..... make it so much cheaper to drink out stop people getting hammered at home on their own!Dunno these days, you seen a price of a decent pint?
Master of the Universe
You're just repeated the same cherry-picked nonsensical argument you made before, and clearly didn't bother reading my response as to why you are wrong for doing so.
So why should I (or anyone else) bother wasting time (...again...) explaining to you why you're still wrong if you're still just going to ignore it like I said nothing?
Koala tea
You talk some shite ^^Originally Posted by*CCTV*
Do you disagree that the PL shares money more evenly than La Liga ?
Is it shared the same in La Liga, or even more fairly/evenly/equally in La Liga ?
What is your answer.
You said:
This was never in disagreement.
Read my first comment in response to this. And the one after it.
I hate repeating myself for people who wilfully misunderstand and misinterpret what others are saying.
*Originally Posted by*CCTV*
2) Describing this distribution of means/revenue in the PL as more socialist/fairness in contrast with La Liga seems fair to me.
If you disagree with that adjective, what adjective do you think best describes a more even sharing of revenue ?
You said:
It's not only NOT "fair". It's inaccurate and WRONG.
I already explained how.
You seem not to know what the word "socialism" means.
Merit and achievement don't count in a fully socialist system.
That's not the case in a revenue-sharing system that LITERALLY and has "merit" as part of their explanation in explaining part of how their system works ("Merit Payments").
Stop being obtuse.
50% of the revenue is shared equally - that's the 50% that represents the fact that all teams participate in the league and contribute matches from which the collective revenue is drawn.
The other 50% is NOT.
And they explained how so and it also includes the merit-based portion that awards revenue based on league-standing finish position.
Why are you ignoring that part?
You can't take the 50% of the explanation that fits your argument and case then ignore the other 50% and pretend like it doesn't exist or factor into it.
*Originally Posted by*CCTV*
3)*do you disagree that the PL has allowed unfairness into the league via rich owners & cheats ?
You said.
By having rich owners owning clubs in the league?
Yes I disagree.
And they have a system in place for dealing with "cheats" when they're found. See : Chelsea FC, Everton FC, Manchester City FC....
Again, FSG - our club owners are rich owners.
Not as rich as others, but they do own clubs that are valued in the BILLIONS on both sides of the pond.
That's wealthy.
Does it follow that if a particular owner is rich that they are therefore also "cheats"?
And also how do you propose they deal with this "unfairness"?
No more rich owners allowed to own clubs?
That would mean no FSG owning our club (And thus no CL #6 or title #20)
Now suddenly who wants a "socilialist" system?
I asked you to answer 3 questions to clarify your position. That's your answer
Q1) when asked to elaborate, you say you won't repeat.
Q2) not answered.
Q3) not answered & 5 questions included in an attempt.
From the link...
The League's central revenues are distributed to clubs in the following manner:
- UK broadcast revenues: 50 per cent equally shared; 25 per cent shared based on how often a club’s matches are broadcast in the UK (known as "Facility Fees"); and 25 per cent shared based on where a club finish in the league table (known as "Merit Payments")
- Central Commercial revenues: Equally shared by clubs
- International broadcasting revenues: Equally shared by clubs
You take this an concoct a notion that you think is sensible and acuse me of ignoring data
Total revenue £2,419,583,748
Here's the figures for equal share
International broadcasting revenues:
Equally shared £40,771,108
Total £815,422,160
Central Commercial revenues
Equally shared £4,838 892
Total £96,777,840
UK broadcast revenues
Total £1,507,383,776
*Equally shared Total 696,251,160
Equally shared £34,812,558
(Here's the total so far for equal share £1,608,451,160
66.48% of all distributed revenue is shared evenly.
£80,422,558 each)
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Total *unequal pay £811,132,616
Merit based
Total £405,566,308
Highest £38,625,360 Cituae
LFC £32,831,556 4th
Lowest £1,931,261 West Brom
£36,694,099 between Top & Bottom of the league finished.
Basically £1.93 mill for 20th in the league and +1.93 mill for every league finish above it.
£1,931,268.37 rounded to the penny.
Facility Fees
Total £405,566,308
Highest: £32,650,495
LFC, Manu & Arsenal
2nd £30,390,736
Chelsea & Cituae
Lowest £12,312,666
West Brom (20th), Swansea (18th) & Burnley (7th)
£20,337,829 mill between top & Bottom
If you max out on Merit based & Facility Fees
£38,625,360 + £32,650,495 = £71,275,855
If you bottom out on Merit based & Facility Fees
£1,931,261 + £12,312,666 = £14,243,927
A maximum extra earning of £57,031,928 .
2.36% of the total £2,419,583,748
If LFC finish above cituae in 2nd they'd earn £4,191,027.37
0.17% of the total £2,419,583,748
If you split this Merit based & Facility Fees pot Equally, each club would get £40,556,630.80
Every team is at least entitled to a minimum share of £14,243,927
20 teams = £284,878,540
So £284,878,540 of the £811,132,616 Merit based & Facility Fees pot is guaranteed to each club.
At least 35.12% of Merit based & Facility Fees is guaranteed to each club.
£284,878,540 minimum + £1,608,451,160 = £1,893,329,700
£94,666,485 to each club.
At least £1,893,329,700 of the Total revenue £2,419,583,748 is shared Equally
At least 78.25% of the revenue is shared Equally.
£94,666,485 to each club.
If the whole pot was split perfectly evenly, each club would earn £120,979,187.40
The highest earning club 2nd place Manu on £149,767,145
6.19% share (300k above cituae)
The lowest earner WBA £94,666,492
3.91% share - the minimum payment that year.
The maximum payment for the big 3... 6.27% share
Meaning a big 3 club winning the PL could earn 1.6 times as much as a little3 club who finishes 20th.
That is the maximum possible disparity within the league between top and bottom.
Koala tea
Now just to keep it simple, I'll convert the 100 odd mill incomes into 1000 pound amounts
So 149.4 million is £1494
1494,1497,1444,1459,1417,1420,1197,1280,1181,1230, 1143,1112,1161,1063,1077,1024,1072,985,988,947
This distribution of incomes generates a Gini Coefficient (G) = 0.08444
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