Upper-Mid Table Talk

[Nineteenx]

There’s just a chemistry of it where the players all move better off one another and have a greater appreciation of each others positions and the likely runs, automation

I looked some games and I could see 5 to 7 of our players standing in space wrong side of the ball waiting for another nothing 5 yard ball and when we lost it they ran straight at us with Virgil and Konate trying to defend with no pressure on the ball, which is pretty much impossible

[jozza800]

I think the players go Kop On Portugal on Slot tbh “Fuck for this”

Either 10 often moved into that position from LCM or RCM last season, mostly Szobo although he spent plenty of time on the right too we didn’t regularly have a designated 10 in that position you can see that by watching last seasons goals you’ll see Macca there or Szobo a lot sometimes Grav having driven forward

It’s better to have forwards stretch the space for players to move into in my opinion and for a 10 to receive the ball by arriving into that space not standing in it

So if the players are picking and choosing their moments as to when they ignore Slot's tactical instruction, what's their excuse for the first 5 months of the season?

[Nineteenx]

So if the players are picking and choosing their moments as to when they ignore Slot's tactical instruction, what's their excuse for the first 5 months of the season?

Slot’s changed up it wasn’t just me commenting we were trying to play everything through Wirtz and players were trying to g to be in space for him to play off and that we were ignoring opportunities to release runners over and over and that we were crowding ourselves out by having too many if out own players blocking the space in opposition boxes while not picking up leaving ourselves wide open in the counter constantly

They’d have one attack and score because they released a runner edge of the centre circle out side in transition time and time again, that never used to happen except fir Fab leaving his man sometimes, barely happened last season either

But wait, we’ve not changed tactics it’s just the players 🤣😮😂 go ant watch last seasons goals again come back here and spin that guff again

[Nineteenx]

Just asking you please watch last seasons goals thrn come back and clarify if you stand by your positions we have t changed how we played or the style and that the players weren’t naturally assuming positions they did in play in the 433 a lot more last season

It’s all over it plain as day

[jozza800]

Slot’s changed up it wasn’t just me commenting we were trying to play everything through Wirtz and players were trying to g to be in space for him to play off and that we were ignoring opportunities to release runners over and over and that we were crowding ourselves out by having too many if out own players blocking the space in opposition boxes while not picking up leaving ourselves wide open in the counter constantly

They’d have one attack and score because they released a runner edge of the centre circle out side in transition time and time again, that never used to happen except fir Fab leaving his man sometimes, barely happened last season either

But wait, we’ve not changed tactics it’s just the players ������ go ant watch last seasons goals again come back here and spin that guff again

Think we're getting our wires crossed. We're as different this season from last season, as last season was to Klopp's last season.

I'm saying we haven't changed an awful lot this season. Up until we scored v Newcastle and for most of the first half of the game v Qarabag it was pretty much the same as the rest of the season.

The only games where we've genuinely changed the way we play were against City (a), Inter (a) and Arsenal (a) where he did what we did what he did to great effect against City last season, which was playing with two atacking midfielders rather than an out and out forward.

We'll play that way again on Sunday.

But after that we'll go back to playing what we have played all season - 4231 and we'll try to keep possesion and push everyone forward.

It will be the hill he dies on.

[Nineteenx]

Yeah last season the players frequently fell into the shape and way of playing they were used to in games in periods and the longer he’s here the more that’s getting knocked out of them which isn’t a good thing

Maybe the difference between scoring a late winner and conceding one

The 4222 was a Jurgen trick we often played it v the filthy as Shaw owned prime Mo at times

It’s that position between CB & FB where neither are sure about or comfortable picking you up, lets you be released through the channel or down the line with an inside out run keeps 4 players back picking up no-one and leaves space for runners to arrive

Difference is we had the best 2 attacking full backs going them, Trent could release Mo or find the other forward

Not sure about this one, as City have played of late releasing a player wide right with 2 runners LFWD & 9 looking to cone onto a ball playing in behind their back line with runs through the channels looks the way to undo them

Newcastle should have scored 5 or 6 on Wednesday

Early ball in from wide just before the box or edge of the box

Standard Howe tactic, set the press to win it deep and transition to centre to right or straight right

[Nineteenx]

Think we're getting our wires crossed. We're as different this season from last season, as last season was to Klopp's last season.

I'm saying we haven't changed an awful lot this season. Up until we scored v Newcastle and for most of the first half of the game v Qarabag it was pretty much the same as the rest of the season.

The only games where we've genuinely changed the way we play were against City (a), Inter (a) and Arsenal (a) where he did what we did what he did to great effect against City last season, which was playing with two atacking midfielders rather than an out and out forward.

We'll play that way again on Sunday.

But after that we'll go back to playing what we have played all season - 4231 and we'll try to keep possesion and push everyone forward.

It will be the hill he dies on.

I again agree to differ we’ve reverted to a much shorter possession game frequently not playing the right ball when it’s on as a result

We still had strong automation last season and the players pressed and counter pressed and picked up, we didn’t have that frequent imbalance of too many players ahead of the ball looking to be in space not enough picking up

[Kev0909]

at least we can win the europa next season

Rio and some of the youngsters...... err not that we have many coming through can get some game time.......Jacquet can play every game and settle in

Fuck it give Rhys williams another year he can even play! and Ramsay!¬!

Not sure what's worse a away day to Sturm graz or some of the shite in the champions league ? Azerbaijan ? Kakazhastan? playing on norways artificial pitches? maybe a away day in cyprus?

"Champions league" what a joooooooke

[RedMagic]

Kev, you're assuming that we'll do enough to qualify for next season's EL. It's not a given that we'll be playing in a European competition at all next season.

[Kev0909]

Kev, you're assuming that we'll do enough to qualify for next season's EL. It's not a given that we'll be playing in a European competition at all next season.

think we'll finish 6th at least, worst case narrowly missing out on 5th

Can't believe utd are ahead of us, after last season, it's madness.

But the owners obviously think we can achive top 5 with what we have, or not care.

Eitherway what a horrible season for many reasons, but let's be honest here mate, and to everyone else, how long have we had it rather good and laughed at the likes of utd? it was never going to be forever, let's not forget we've won the league twice in recent years--- people waited 30 years..... some passed for us to win it again, that we need to respect.

Lets be happy for what we had we've had some good years- a while ago, i am only 33, but I thought i'd never even see us win the league the way it was going.

Some people waited so long and didn't get a chance.

Once again fuck this season, and let's not forget the recent times as depressing as these months are, football wise and outside espeically if you're in the uk none stop rain

YNWA

as i've said many times ,more to life than football...... what happened with Jota, completely out of the blue it's effected a lot of people at the club...... fuck it..... it's only a game don't let it effect your heads lads! <3

I've been joking all day because I have this weekend off that i'm a utd fan now to my utd work mates...and i booked it off to watch the game (I'm really not but i give up giving a shit atm ) but you know what i've met some really good man utd fans that are wise- and actually gave us credit last season, i always told them you'll be back, they're not all cunts, the people that follow football and have a brain you can have a good chat too, even if they're utd fans... my mate is a everton fan and he's really wise- yeah we have a joke about stuff.... but obviously we don't hate each other, it's all a game.

UTD fans i've met have actually been rather sound, said we're both the biggest clubs in england etc, yeah a lot of the fans are cunts, so are liverpool fans but when you meet people with there head screwed on and mutual respect about both clubs, it's brilliant. the usual chav fooball fan "ah fuck off you red scouser shite" or fuck you manc shite........ but there is respect out there, i'm happy i know fans from other clubs we can actually talk properly about football and have good chats, no insults nothing.

They all say we miss trent too, and i agree i slagged our own fans off a bit in that regards... guy that's been with us 6 years old and even some of yous on here was happy for him to go........ look at us now...... how many we concede

it's cus trent couldn't defend init.......