Florian Wirtz

[Steveo]

No I would be over the moon to say he is 'world class'.. as I was over the moon when we signed him. But he isn't 'world class' at this moment in time. He has improved from a very low bar. He has shown 'world class' ability at times...last week v Newcastle to name one such moment....but then so do so many players up and down the league each month.


Question.. Is Silva world class? Think before answering because he outclassed Florian last night..

Also - I don't know if all the shilling is getting to you but - you seem confused on my Wirtz position.that or just continuing the lies and twisting of the truth to make your comments seem more palatable.

[Kev0909]

Just don't understand why we have to moan about him if he doesn't assist or score

Should every player have a thread and comments after every game?

I mean I'd get it if everyone else played well, why doesn't Mo have a thread (not about him leaving)

[Steveo]

I can't speak for anyone else... but this was my comment from yesterday..

Missed him today. Couple of nice flicks... but we need much much more. I know Silva is on another level but still - instead of being in awe... do the basics.

It's not harsh in the slightest - it's not a moan - it's simply asking for more from a player we have tweaked the entire setup for.

And I suggest it's tough to argue against. The shill is trying to discredit the truth using lies. If anyone has an issue I suggest they start there.

[JockStrap]

Just don't understand why we have to moan about him if he doesn't assist or score

Should ever player have a thread and comments after every game?

I mean I'd get it if everyone else played well, why doesn't Mo have a thread (not about him leaving)

Because this lot want any excuse to have a go at Wirtz. They want to be proved right on a forum more than they want a 22 year old kid, with the world at his feet, to succeed.

Top Reds.

[Steveo]

Let's who falls for this utter bollox... Popcorn at the ready...

[Kev0909]

I can't speak for anyone else... but this was my comment from yesterday..






It's not harsh in the slightest - it's not a moan - it's simply asking for more from a player we have tweaked the entire setup for.

And I suggest it's tough to argue against. The shill is trying to discredit the truth using lies. If anyone has an issue I suggest they start there.

Not his fault though about the system ,or the transfer fee that certain posters like to use as a excuse for making digs at the lad.

A lot more issues with other players, Wirtz is a very minor one compared to most of the team

Certain people are just obsessed.

if we had a actually had a good player on the left, and the right he'd probably be a lot better... or players actually in form at least and not stinking the place out like Salah.

Think it would help Hugo too, they're not making any space spreading the play or anything, it's all very stale... imagine Mane/Diaz and a prime salah with Wirtz and hugo... different story.

[Steveo]

Not his fault though about the system ,or the transfer fee that certain posters like to use as a excuse for making digs at the lad.

A lot more issues with other players, Wirtz is a very minor one compared to most of the team

Certain people are just obsessed.

Totally agree... and IF you read my comments rather than just what the shill is trying to spin - you'll notice that I never said any of it was his fault. I don't see that anyone has said that. Some suggested he was poor last night.. I wouldn't go that far but it's a fair comment too. People see things differently.

The point here is that - it would be the fault of the setup... Something a certain poster cannot countenance. Hence the deliberate attempt to derail the theme entirely and make it about people having a go at Wirtz..

I simply suggested we need to see more. He has been superb of late and I thought we missed him yesterday. Mo is getting slated - and Mo HAS been poor but Mo did put the only big chance we really created on a plate for Hugo last night and a certain someone is keen to stick the boot in on him while using lies about what Gerrard has said on Wirtz.

Cody was just as poor as Mo.. Created literally NOTHING.. plenty were poor. Macca to0... BUt this is the Wirtz thread and I think what has been said is perfctly reasonable.


Which Certain people kev?

[Kev0909]

I'm not saying it against you, just in general

it's more like a certain person right now , not "people"

And that is obvious--- I don't need to name names, said person who has been on his case since day 1

[Steveo]

I know - I am just clarifying my position. And highlighting that of another.

Also I don't think Wirtz has been overly moaned about for a good while.

[JockStrap]

Just go back through the thread. See who gives him credit when he has a good game versus those who show up when he has a quiet one. It's not rocket science.