Summer transfers

[Ravo19]

I really like Elliot and was one of his biggest supporters (he had a lot critics) but he's likely to suffer the same positional puzzle as Wirtz if he stays with Slot in charge. He's a 10. He's not quick enough as a winger or robust enough as a central midfielder.

If we're going to continue with a 10 then persoanlly i'd keep him as backup to Wirtz. But you have to use him as the backup.

But if I was Elliot, and Slot stays, then I'd be looking for a new club. Over his 2 seasons Slot has made it obvious that he'd rather have chiseled square pegs in round holes rather than a slighty wonky round pegs in a round holes.

We have a squad with almost 'like for like' positional replacements for the first team, yet Slot wont use them.

File this one away under the Chiesa files.

100% agree,spot on with slots use of players.

[Crimson Dynasty]

People forget - Elliot was good enough for Klopp to win trophies with - couldn’t get a game at Villa.

Point of correction:-

They deliberately avoided playing him at Villa, NOT because he wasn't good enough, but because they didn't want to trigger the clause in his loan deal that obligated Villa to buy him if he played in a certain minimum number of games.

Emeri had never wanted him there. It was the previous director of football - who's since left the club - who was the one that agreed the loan deal, and which Emeri objected to, because he didn't actually need him.

Emeri's talked about it recently in press appearances and has acknowledged it's an embarrassing situation for all involved and entirely unfair on Harvey who didn't deserve any of it.

The blame lies squarely on the Villa chief (since departed from their club) and the LFC people in charge here (Edwards, Hughes and I would include Slot, who must have told them he wasn't going to use Harvey at all this season) who signed off on the deal and who just wanted to profit off of selling Harvey.

He was the player of the tournament in last summer's European Under-21 Championships that England won.
To imagine his stock would have fallen that far since then is incredulous and unlikely.

Just a bunch of greedy twats on both sides who saw a situation they wanted to profit from - while not taking into account the damage they would do to his career in so doing.

I can't blame him for wanting to make the move - because as a player and an insider he probably knows better than the rest of us what a mess that training ground at the AXA is under Slot. And he probably realized he wasn't going to benefit his career trying to win a place in this squad under Slot, who was more likely to play him in the wrong position if he ever even played him at all.

What's ironic is that given how this season has unfolded, Slot really could have used the extra body with experience in that midfield with Macca's massive drop in form this season, and Wirtz's struggles to integrate earlier on.

Just another to the pile of just how incompetent, not just Slot but all three of them, really are.

[Steveo]

He couldn’t get a game at either club - people can talk about directors moving on all they like - the proof is in the pudding neither Liverpool FC under H’edwards & Slot or Villa’s Emery - who got the better of Klopp’s Liverpool in a European final - wanted to play him.

Klopp did and won trophies…. Klopp made teams In Germany and England better than the sum of their parts. You don’t need the best players and many uber successful teams don’t have them or anything like it at every position

And yes H’edwards & Slot the 3 are all incompetent - but who employed them and put this joke of a setup in place..?

[justme]

The idea Elliot was good enough for Klopp. is not true. Elliot hardly played under him either, He may have got more minutes, but was far from a regular. Maybe Elliot is just not good enough?? he may have fight and all that. But hes one of them players. that get lost in games and never offers enough

[justme]

In fact Klopp made a statement wishing he'd have played Elliot more and hoping the new manager would play him more. Thankfully Slot didn't and we won the league..

[Crimson Dynasty]

He couldn’t get a game at either club - people can talk about directors moving on all they like - the proof is in the pudding neither Liverpool FC under H’edwards & Slot or Villa’s Emery - who got the better of Klopp’s Liverpool in a European final - wanted to play him.

Klopp did and won trophies…. Klopp made teams In Germany and England better than the sum of their parts. You don’t need the best players and many uber successful teams don’t have them or anything like it at every position

And yes H’edwards & Slot the 3 are all incompetent - but who employed them and put this joke of a setup in place..?

You're still deliberately skipping over the fact that Emeri didn't play him not because he wasn't good enough.
He didn't play him because Villa do not want to buy him.
Period.

Now you can argue that Villa do not want to buy him because he's not good enough, but Emeri himself has stated plainly that he never needed him to begin with and the decision to bring him to Villa was not his.
Perhaps if the play-to-buy clause didn't exist in his contract, then maybe Emeri would have played him more and at that point you could legitimately make the argument that him not seeing game-time was because he wasn't good enough, but at things stand, that wasn't the primary driver for why he wasn't seeing minutes at Villa.

It had nothing to do with his playing ability.

Those are not my words.
That's Emeri himself saying that.

So unless he's lying and you know better than him......

[Crimson Dynasty]

In fact Klopp made a statement wishing he'd have played Elliot more and hoping the new manager would play him more. Thankfully Slot didn't and we won the league..

Is the implication that if he played him more, we wouldn't have wont he league?
You can't know that for certain.

Well he wasn't here at all this season and we performed much much worse.

Your argument is just as valid as claiming we did much worse this season because he wasn't here.

I find it baffling this sudden scapegoating and bashing of a player.... WHO WASN"T EVEN HERE....this season.

We had worse performers this season in the squad who performed way worse than however bad you think Elliot performed when he was playing for us, and yet somehow now we're bashing on some kid wasn't even here and who's career got derailed because of stupid-decision makers above him?
Truly baffling.

I'm really sad for him that he didn't get that desired move away from here.
This club has become a truly toxic place.

[Crimson Dynasty]

The idea Elliot was good enough for Klopp. is not true. Elliot hardly played under him either, He may have got more minutes, but was far from a regular. Maybe Elliot is just not good enough?? he may have fight and all that. But hes one of them players. that get lost in games and never offers enough

That may all be true.
....or not.

But just as true and as factual as I pointed out before, he was (deservedly) selected as the most outstanding player in last summers Under-21's - which was the first contintental title that England has won in quite a while.

Klopp himself has never had anything but positive things to say about him, and regrets that given the way our team is structured then, he never saw more playing time like he thinks he deserved.
So there's another tick in his box.


I'll put it a different way....

Why didn't Kelleher knock Allisson off that top spot for our number goalie for most of the time he was here - only seeing game-time when Alli was injured?

So the fact that he couldn't and had to leave to get more regular gametime at The Cherries must mean he was a terrible goalkeeper,....right?
That's your logic right now.

And given our current goalie situation, I'd love to see anyone make such an argument with a straight face.

[justme]

The facts, hes played 149 times and has 15 goals?, If we had gone in with Elliot last season, we have been force to drop one of our midfielders.. all 3 had great seasons last season. or Mo Salah.. who plays on the right.. Elliot is not good enough in my opinion.

[justme]

He'll be back next season, as no other team will be interested in him. And if we get more bodies in, in the summer transfer window he won't start many games.. for the reason, there are BETTER players out there