All Aboard the Slot Express

[Crimson Dynasty]

Oh, dear, another thread, and still incapable in dedicated threads..

Comparing the top 12 most expensive signings over their shared era, it is.....

Rice
Havertz
White
Jesus
Partey
Cauliflower
Timber
Ooodegard
Zinchenko
Viera
Merino
Raya

Versus

Nunez
Sobozla
Jota
Gakpo
MacA
Konate
Grav
Thiago
Endo
Tsimi
Carvalho
Minamino

You never waxed lyrically about those 12 players each signed

Slot turned a net profit and won the league..... imagine if the owners backed him with big spending net & gross... p45 called for

Wait....

Didn't he get nearly half a billion in spending this last year to spend in the transfer window - resulting in two of the most expensive players ever paid for in Premier League history -......and yet resulting in one of our worst seasons in the categories of most goals conceded in all competition (75), longest losing streak in our history (12 games) and winning no away games against the top 6 teams, as well as having both Manc clubs do the double over us?

How much more backing does the guy need?

He won the league with Klopp's team and minor tweaks and changes to his style and formation.

When he had his own team and instituted his own style, it's still (mathematically,....though...admittedly unlikely) possible going into the last game that we could miss out on the Champions League.

What the hell are you even talking about?

Also, he had no practically no say (and therefore gets no credit) in the net-spend of that first transfer window, seeing as he had just arrived at the club, and the single player we bought in that window (Chiesa) is a player he clearly doesn't fancy and never wanted given how little playing time he gives him, and therefore we can reasonably conclude wasn't involved in the decision to get him - any more than he was in the decisions to let go/sell the players we did that generated the revenue that helped that net-spend figure.

There's never been better proof of someone needing to get fired than what he's served up this season.

[Steveo]

[CCTV]

The last 3 lines are just poking fun at Steveos takes on spending.

Thanks for fleshing it out

[Steveo]

This and the fact that every man and his dog knows it was Klopp who had far more to do with the title win last season....than Arne Slot..... is what's got the poor wretch in a spin.

[Steveo]

"We had to do it. Phil wanted to leave. We didn't want to let him go, but the money was there. We had to be smart on the market. With the money we got from Phil, we built the team we have now. We didn’t spend it on one player, we spent it on a few, and that made us a better team."

[CCTV]

I'll spare the forum the direct quotes

You said....

● August 2024 - Slot more complete form of football than Klopp.
●September 2024 - Arteta "overtook" Klopp because of spending. You blamed FSG for that squad. Then avoided waffling on the actual 12 most expensive additions over their shared era.

Slot then won the league with the squad you chatted shit about. Then you called this same squad Klopps squad.
Which was true. Minus Keita & Ox

However, you bemonaed that squad and blamed FSG for it at the start of the season. Only crediting Klopp for it once Slot won the league.

I've also analysed Klopps spending 16/17 to 19/20 and called this the Klopp effect.
Which you disputed as ever without substance

Steveo said
To suggest that a 9th place net spend was Klopp’s "philosophy" is close to being the most desperate bit of bollox I’ve seen on this forum yet. Klopp didn’t 'choose' to have his hands tied - he was a miracle worker who dragged a mid-table budget to the top of the mountain despite the lack of backing... not because of it.

I showed how during that era 16/17 to 19/20 LFC were 15th for net spending in the PL. Clearly the Klopp effect.
LFC 24th for net spending in Europe over that time. That LFC over that period mirrored Klopps Dortmund.

CCTV Said:
7 full seasons at Dortmund.

Over Klopps Dortmund tenure

They ranked 31st in Europe on gross spend, LFC were 5th.
They ranked 31st in Europe on net spend, LFC were 9th.
Now that's obviously inclusive of pre-FSG times going back from 08/09 to 14/15. But this is about Klopp.

When the great man from Dortmund came to LFC, and LFC went very Dortmundesque, You said Klopp was hoodwinked by fsg

[Steveo]

And right on cue... here comes the security camera the most obvious SHILL of them all with his usual obsessive compilation of misread quotes and desperate spreadsheet gymnastics... anything to spin the narrative and protect the owners.

Talk about a ridiculous misreading of what I’ve actually said for years... it’s borderline embarrassing. He wants to pretend I'm contradicting myself... but everything I said has been completely proven true. In 2024... yes absolutely ... I hoped and wished that Slot’s system might bring a more complete control to the football... and so for a short time it transpired - saving the injury risk of a small squad - but the reality is the bloke has turned out to be completely useless and out of his depth OR the squad not so strong. Then the massive "gotcha" about the squad... I absolutely blamed F$G for leaving that squad short... WHICH THEY REPEATEDLY DID> and part of why made Klopp struggle so much and leave early...and the fact that Jurgen's players dragged themselves to a miracle title under Slot doesn't magically retroactively wipe out years of boardroom neglect. It was Jurgen's squad... built on his miracle-working... and it won the league in spite of the historical lack of backing from the absent billionaire owners... not because the frugal model was right.

Crediting Klopp for the squad's spirit and foundation while blaming F$G for chronically underfunding it isn't a contradiction... it’s the absolute truth that anyone with eyes could see.

But SHILL's favourite trick is the pathetic net spend spreadsheets... trying to claim a 15th-place net spend in the Premier League was somehow "the Klopp effect" or a philosophy he chose. What absolute... desperate bollocks. To look at a club operating on a mid-table budget while competing against state-backed juggernauts and claim the manager wanted his hands tied is total delusion. Then he drags out his irrelevant Dortmund stats from a completely different era and financial landscape... trying to compare the Bundesliga model to the modern Premier League to prove Klopp wasn't hoodwinked by F$G's false promises. And I always said Klopp was happy to work with those resttraints - Do that make it ok?? It's just more smoke and mirrors... using skewed numbers to distract from the wider truth. Jurgen was a miracle worker who dragged a restricted budget to the top of the mountain despite the total lack of backing... and no amount of disingenuous stat-padding from shill will ever change that.

Here's Klopp showing his delight at a restricted budget...

[CCTV]

Keep talking absolute bollocks. The direct quotes are there. I can post any of them

Steveo said:
4th August 2024 09:47 AM
"There is some very good ‘next level’ football developing under Slot. Yes I know it’s only Pre season friendly etc… but still.

It is a different approach to Klopp’s. Not massively but it is different - dare I say it, a more compete form of the game. It would be magic if we could become adept enough at it to mount a title challenge with this style. Not expecting that at all this season.

But the early signs are very encouraging."

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?310495-24-25-Pre-Season/page11


It was great fun watching you squirm as Klopps LFC smashed Pochs cfc.
And your dumb expectation was simply based on your ignorance and inability to analyse transfer spending.

Here was that summer analysed by me.

CCTV said:
9th January 2024 01:38 AM

"https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-chelsea/transfers/verein/631/saison_id/2023

This shows Chelseas summer 23 window - I've just added them up since 13/14 season.

Here Chelsea
● Earnt €269.4 mill from player sales valued at €482.6 mill.
Recouping 55.8% of their value
● Spent €467.8 mill on €517.75 mill of players.
For €1 spent, they signed €1.11 euros of player.
● for their net spend of €198.4 mill - their net gain in MV was €35.15 m
17.7% effective by MV

For our net spend of €111.3 mill, our net gain in MV was €44.7 mill.
40.2% effective

We added more value than Chelsea for less net spend."

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?310133-Top6-spends-analysed-by-MV-13-14-onwards

To date no criticism of the methodology, or another method provided, by you.

[Steveo]

He had no idea?