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  • #691
    Originally posted by teesred View Post
    True but we'd be a better side with an out and out DM I think. You see in yesterday's game how effective Grav can be when he's going forward with the ball.
    Wharton in our side would be quality. Baleba looked good last season but seems to have fell out of favour this one.
    That’s the point though re Grav, he predominantly performs the No6 role and very well, but our midfield rotates so it’s up to whoever sits when he goes to do the job

    For me the main issue is players not picking up and taking good counter pressing positions, too many getting wrong side of their man ahead of the ball and then Wirtz or Szobo giving it away
    "If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”

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    • #692
      Originally posted by Nineteenx View Post
      That’s the point though re Grav, he predominantly performs the No6 role and very well, but our midfield rotates so it’s up to whoever sits when he goes to do the job

      For me the main issue is players not picking up and taking good counter pressing positions, too many getting wrong side of their man ahead of the ball and then Wirtz or Szobo giving it away
      Like Jozza is always saying though it's far too often our midfield is caught too far up ahead of the ball and we are easy to counter on, Nobody is "sitting" and that's the biggest issue in our midfield this season.
      The defining moments in our lives are never planned.

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      • #693
        Our defence gets sod all protection from our midfield. That's not great given that our defence has been a mess this season. We need a top class DM but I'm not sure we'll get one namely because we've needed one for ages but still haven't signed one, and also because I'm not sure Slot wants one given that despite our issues he has continued to play Gravenberch further up the pitch instead of playing him in the deeper position he occupied last season.

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        • #694
          Originally posted by teesred View Post
          Like Jozza is always saying though it's far too often our midfield is caught too far up ahead of the ball and we are easy to counter on, Nobody is "sitting" and that's the biggest issue in our midfield this season.
          That’s the point I’m making if they were taking up counter pressing positions instead of getting wrong side trying to join attacks they’re not needed in it wouldn’t be happening
          "If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”

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          • #695
            Originally posted by Nineteenx View Post
            That’s the point I’m making if they were taking up counter pressing positions instead of getting wrong side trying to join attacks they’re not needed in it wouldn’t be happening
            Or just play 4231 with the double pivot.

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            • #696
              Grav still plays deep a lot but when he drives it as he should the other one ir two or full back have to pick up
              "If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”

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              • #697
                Originally posted by JockStrap View Post
                Or just play 4231 with the double pivot.
                It started with over passing with exclusively short passing and loading the box with too many players

                The 4231 really hasn’t been working when we’ve been successful this season it’s largely been when we’ve ended up with 3 up top even if we claimed to be playing 4231

                Yesterday after flailing miserably for 30 minutes with 4231 overpassing we ended up 3313 for a lot of important passages for the rest of the game

                Just pick up it’s that simple if we were counter pressing properly as all too teams do it wouldn’t be happening
                "If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”

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                • #698
                  Not as simple as leaving one back either they can’t cover the whole width of the pitch and if we’re not picking up and overcommitted the transition is easy

                  Just pick the fuck up
                  "If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”

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                  • #699
                    Wirtz has been picking up in recent games when players get ahead of him
                    "If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”

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                    • #700
                      Really shit from Bassey and the player who ran ahead of the ball
                      "If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”

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                      • #701
                        Originally posted by JockStrap View Post
                        Or just play 4231 with the double pivot.
                        Absolutely fine. But that double pivot can't be found on the edge of the opposition 18 yard box when we lose the ball.
                        Something, Something, Something, Dark Side

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                        • #702
                          In the words of the legendary Mick Mcarthy

                          “It can..”
                          "I am the Normal One."

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                          • #703
                            Need to pick up counter press is literally picking up a player our side of them so if our play breaks down they can’t play out and we can win it back quickly

                            When I moan (A LOT &#128514 about us not doing this ppl come up with all these others things we should try or do when we just need to do what has worked for 10 years 🤦*♂️
                            "If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”

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                            • #704
                              Ladies and Gentlemen ...

                              You know how this goes ...

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                              • #705
                                I'm no longer going to point out the subtlties in these goals. Let's see who has real football knowledge and can talk through the goal and the important elements that make it possible.

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