Summer transfers

[Ravo19]

I really like Elliot and was one of his biggest supporters (he had a lot critics) but he's likely to suffer the same positional puzzle as Wirtz if he stays with Slot in charge. He's a 10. He's not quick enough as a winger or robust enough as a central midfielder.

If we're going to continue with a 10 then persoanlly i'd keep him as backup to Wirtz. But you have to use him as the backup.

But if I was Elliot, and Slot stays, then I'd be looking for a new club. Over his 2 seasons Slot has made it obvious that he'd rather have chiseled square pegs in round holes rather than a slighty wonky round pegs in a round holes.

We have a squad with almost 'like for like' positional replacements for the first team, yet Slot wont use them.

File this one away under the Chiesa files.

100% agree,spot on with slots use of players.

[Crimson Dynasty]

People forget - Elliot was good enough for Klopp to win trophies with - couldn’t get a game at Villa.

Point of correction:-

They deliberately avoided playing him at Villa, NOT because he wasn't good enough, but because they didn't want to trigger the clause in his loan deal that obligated Villa to buy him if he played in a certain minimum number of games.

Emeri had never wanted him there. It was the previous director of football - who's since left the club - who was the one that agreed the loan deal, and which Emeri objected to, because he didn't actually need him.

Emeri's talked about it recently in press appearances and has acknowledged it's an embarrassing situation for all involved and entirely unfair on Harvey who didn't deserve any of it.

The blame lies squarely on the Villa chief (since departed from their club) and the LFC people in charge here (Edwards, Hughes and I would include Slot, who must have told them he wasn't going to use Harvey at all this season) who signed off on the deal and who just wanted to profit off of selling Harvey.

He was the player of the tournament in last summer's European Under-21 Championships that England won.
To imagine his stock would have fallen that far since then is incredulous and unlikely.

Just a bunch of greedy twats on both sides who saw a situation they wanted to profit from - while not taking into account the damage they would do to his career in so doing.

I can't blame him for wanting to make the move - because as a player and an insider he probably knows better than the rest of us what a mess that training ground at the AXA is under Slot. And he probably realized he wasn't going to benefit his career trying to win a place in this squad under Slot, who was more likely to play him in the wrong position if he ever even played him at all.

What's ironic is that given how this season has unfolded, Slot really could have used the extra body with experience in that midfield with Macca's massive drop in form this season, and Wirtz's struggles to integrate earlier on.

Just another to the pile of just how incompetent, not just Slot but all three of them, really are.

[Steveo]

He couldn’t get a game at either club - people can talk about directors moving on all they like - the proof is in the pudding neither Liverpool FC under H’edwards & Slot or Villa’s Emery - who got the better of Klopp’s Liverpool in a European final - wanted to play him.

Klopp did and won trophies…. Klopp made teams In Germany and England better than the sum of their parts. You don’t need the best players and many uber successful teams don’t have them or anything like it at every position

And yes H’edwards & Slot the 3 are all incompetent - but who employed them and put this joke of a setup in place..?

[justme]

The idea Elliot was good enough for Klopp. is not true. Elliot hardly played under him either, He may have got more minutes, but was far from a regular. Maybe Elliot is just not good enough?? he may have fight and all that. But hes one of them players. that get lost in games and never offers enough

[justme]

In fact Klopp made a statement wishing he'd have played Elliot more and hoping the new manager would play him more. Thankfully Slot didn't and we won the league..

[Crimson Dynasty]

He couldn’t get a game at either club - people can talk about directors moving on all they like - the proof is in the pudding neither Liverpool FC under H’edwards & Slot or Villa’s Emery - who got the better of Klopp’s Liverpool in a European final - wanted to play him.

Klopp did and won trophies…. Klopp made teams In Germany and England better than the sum of their parts. You don’t need the best players and many uber successful teams don’t have them or anything like it at every position

And yes H’edwards & Slot the 3 are all incompetent - but who employed them and put this joke of a setup in place..?

You're still deliberately skipping over the fact that Emeri didn't play him not because he wasn't good enough.
He didn't play him because Villa do not want to buy him.
Period.

Now you can argue that Villa do not want to buy him because he's not good enough, but Emeri himself has stated plainly that he never needed him to begin with and the decision to bring him to Villa was not his.
Perhaps if the play-to-buy clause didn't exist in his contract, then maybe Emeri would have played him more and at that point you could legitimately make the argument that him not seeing game-time was because he wasn't good enough, but at things stand, that wasn't the primary driver for why he wasn't seeing minutes at Villa.

It had nothing to do with his playing ability.

Those are not my words.
That's Emeri himself saying that.

So unless he's lying and you know better than him......

[Crimson Dynasty]

In fact Klopp made a statement wishing he'd have played Elliot more and hoping the new manager would play him more. Thankfully Slot didn't and we won the league..

Is the implication that if he played him more, we wouldn't have wont he league?
You can't know that for certain.

Well he wasn't here at all this season and we performed much much worse.

Your argument is just as valid as claiming we did much worse this season because he wasn't here.

I find it baffling this sudden scapegoating and bashing of a player.... WHO WASN"T EVEN HERE....this season.

We had worse performers this season in the squad who performed way worse than however bad you think Elliot performed when he was playing for us, and yet somehow now we're bashing on some kid wasn't even here and who's career got derailed because of stupid-decision makers above him?
Truly baffling.

I'm really sad for him that he didn't get that desired move away from here.
This club has become a truly toxic place.

[Crimson Dynasty]

The idea Elliot was good enough for Klopp. is not true. Elliot hardly played under him either, He may have got more minutes, but was far from a regular. Maybe Elliot is just not good enough?? he may have fight and all that. But hes one of them players. that get lost in games and never offers enough

That may all be true.
....or not.

But just as true and as factual as I pointed out before, he was (deservedly) selected as the most outstanding player in last summers Under-21's - which was the first contintental title that England has won in quite a while.

Klopp himself has never had anything but positive things to say about him, and regrets that given the way our team is structured then, he never saw more playing time like he thinks he deserved.
So there's another tick in his box.


I'll put it a different way....

Why didn't Kelleher knock Allisson off that top spot for our number goalie for most of the time he was here - only seeing game-time when Alli was injured?

So the fact that he couldn't and had to leave to get more regular gametime at The Cherries must mean he was a terrible goalkeeper,....right?
That's your logic right now.

And given our current goalie situation, I'd love to see anyone make such an argument with a straight face.

[justme]

The facts, hes played 149 times and has 15 goals?, If we had gone in with Elliot last season, we have been force to drop one of our midfielders.. all 3 had great seasons last season. or Mo Salah.. who plays on the right.. Elliot is not good enough in my opinion.

[justme]

He'll be back next season, as no other team will be interested in him. And if we get more bodies in, in the summer transfer window he won't start many games.. for the reason, there are BETTER players out there

[Crimson Dynasty]

The facts, hes played 149 times and has 15 goals?, If we had gone in with Elliot last season, we have been force to drop one of our midfielders.. all 3 had great seasons last season. or Mo Salah.. who plays on the right.. Elliot is not good enough in my opinion.

"not good enough" is different from "not good", which seems to be the implication in the current arguments.

As demonstrated, among his own peers and players his age-range he was obviously good enough to be the player of the tournament in a continental competition.

Expecting him to be good enough to displace players with decades of experience and skill ahead of him int he pecking order, is in my opinion ridiculous.
Is there any other player in our history coming up through the ranks from the junior squad that had a similar-type breakthrough into the first team with that kind of impact that you can recall....not named "Owen" or "Gerrard"?
Maybe Raheem..... but even he didn't come up through our system and we bought him from Chelsea.

It would be like saying we don't see Trey Nyoni more because he's..."not good enough".

Which is tough big talk for a club that's had the season we've had and with the way our midfield (outside of Szoboslai) has played this season.

If we're bashing him for going to another club and failing to break into their first team or get any playing time - not for any reasons related to his playing ability as noted, but for reasons beyond his control and not related at all - then....perhaps we truly do deserve our upcoming time in the wilderness again from winning anything in a long time.

I expect to see Rio and Trey getting likewise pushed out in the coming seasons for "not being good enough" when they eventually inevitably fail to be able to carry all the (unrealistic) expectations of fans and a club starved of success down the line.
Only to go find success elsewhere.

[Crimson Dynasty]

I hope for his sake he finds another club to go to like Kelleher did.
This club is just becoming too toxic and it's not worth the effort anymore.

If I were a young player I wouldn't want to come here, and I'll not blame Rio (or Trey) one bit when they eventually decide to move on.

[Steveo]

You're still deliberately skipping over the fact that Emeri didn't play him not because he wasn't good enough.
He didn't play him because Villa do not want to buy him.
Period.

Now you can argue that Villa do not want to buy him because he's not good enough, but Emeri himself has stated plainly that he never needed him to begin with and the decision to bring him to Villa was not his.
Perhaps if the play-to-buy clause didn't exist in his contract, then maybe Emeri would have played him more and at that point you could legitimately make the argument that him not seeing game-time was because he wasn't good enough, but at things stand, that wasn't the primary driver for why he wasn't seeing minutes at Villa.

It had nothing to do with his playing ability.

Those are not my words.
That's Emeri himself saying that.

So unless he's lying and you know better than him......

You’re confusing the mechanism of why he’s been benched all season with the actual reason they don’t want him.

Yes… the 10-game obligation clause is why he was frozen out. Nobody is denying the contract exists… but you’re completely ignoring *why* Villa dodged it.

If Elliott had gone there and played like a world-beater - Villa are doing backflips to pay that fee because a top-tier young English midfielder is worth way more than that in today’s market.

The reality is Emery looked at him in training and his initial games - decided he didn’t fit his system - and the club realised paying that much for a squad player would ruin their PSR budget.

Emery admitting he never needed him to begin with proves the point. If a manager thinks a player is elite… they play them and buy them. The clause is just the handbrake - but Emery’s evaluation of Elliott is the reason they pulled it.

The point isn’t to say Elliot isnt good enough. I am one of the few backers of Harvey - but I can recognise that he isn’t the top level.

Klopp wouldn’t freeze a player like that out - this is where he was different - and he found great opportunities for the lad to develop - and feature in winning trophies.How much of that was out of necessity is anyone’s guess.

[Joetan991]

#Elliot# transfer sum up how messy is our transfer. Yes, you can sell him just go ahead get some fund back, loan out with 10-game clause better keep him to ourselves as we already know we have not enough right wingers at the start of the season.

#Summer Transfer# first time in 32 years as Liverpool supporter, I do not feel like getting any players in would help us, I believe we have enough great players, just the new system, the new culture, for whatsoever everything about Slot coach team is wrong and do not good enough for EPL football.

[Ravo19]

Alisson,robbo,gomez,konate,endo,jones,mac,elliott, salah,chiesa,gapko=11 players thats a unrealistic clear out.
Alisson will stay.
Tsimikas replaces robbo.
Jacquet replaces gomez.(konate signs contract)
Jones & endo out,mac to stay.
Salah,chiesa,gapko out that cuts it to 7 players out.
Frimpong? slot has used jones at RB at times ahead of frimpong which leads towards slot not liking him as a RB,for me i would prefer elliott as attacker cover than frimpong,add frimpong to list and buy new RB.