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  • #16
    Originally posted by justme View Post
    My solution to ageism is not to get old.Im staying young forever.

    Like the joke goes.. I don't mind dying... I just don't want to be there when it happens.
    Or that line from a WHO song...
    Hope I die before I get old
    Roger and Peter still playing that?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by scientificred View Post
      You fail to read my posts.
      I have never seen anyone who is black or white. Black and white are perfect opposites. Black absorbs every colour and does not reflect any. White reflects every colour and does not absorb any. You will not come across these ideals in life. The closest you will come to these is, for example, a wood surface painted with matt black or matt white paint.
      The people you mention, or any others you may care to mention, are neither black or white but rather various shades of brown. I am not going to describe their particular colour as I have never met them and it would depend on the particular time of day and circumstances (for example after a recent spell of sunbathing or illness) and the lighting available.
      No, I most certainly read your posts. I did not comprehend your thoughts on the matter so i asked a few questions.
      Like what shade of brown those 3 are etc, however it appears to me you wish to be misunderstood somewhat.

      Black as you define it is an idealistic concept and scientists have endeavoured to find a black or that sort coming very close. Vantablack a pretty close creation.
      However you and I still perceive it/black as a colour within a spectrum of colours. There are different tones of black too.

      I think you are also conflating racial colour with actual colours, which I suspected after your ability to have no issue with white privilige whilst stating there are no white people.
      It is true people, particularly of white people, due to the nature of their skin tone can gain or lose shades of colour. Getting sunburnt a good example, however the production of skin at its core is based in biology.
      If I put a red car in a cave, it's not a black car because of the lighting or lack of lighting. It is still a red car, same way if its tone is altered by weathering under the sun it is still a red car. If left facing south the impact of the sun on its paint would disproportionately impact its front.
      For me I could understand an artist describing the various pictures of bojo without make up on as being a blend of white (his racial colour), some jaundis yellow and a peach hue. But I struggle to comprehend the idea of Bojo the brown man.
      Same way with Mane i understand him to be black (his racial colour), and shades of brown. However I would not describe mane as racially brown as hes an African.

      I would have enjoyed learning about the many shades of brown, which encompass in your opinion bojo and mane for example.

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      • #18
        Would I be right SR that when you say you understand white privilige as a concept, you yourself would see it as a case of lighter brown people and darker brown people ?

        Isn't this tonal difference within the colour brown also a matter of blackening & whitening?

        You have an interesting view, you're the first person I've ever encountered whose arguing that Bojo is a brown man. I'd just like to understand your view as it's not clear to me as of now. I'm kind of guessing at filling in the holes.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by CCTV View Post
          Would I be right SR that when you say you understand white privilige as a concept, you yourself would see it as a case of lighter brown people and darker brown people ?

          Isn't this tonal difference within the colour brown also a matter of blackening & whitening?

          You have an interesting view, you're the first person I've ever encountered whose arguing that Bojo is a brown man. I'd just like to understand your view as it's not clear to me as of now. I'm kind of guessing at filling in the holes.
          You seem to miss the point completely
          There are no black people, there are no white people.
          It is not a matter of blackening or whitening. Regarding Bojo - the TV footage I have seen of him he appears to be of a light tan but I have never met him. Even If I did I would never see he was white, or black for that matter
          You yourself have never seen a white or black man.
          Regarding the red car in a cave without light.
          Black is an ideal. You cannot achieve it. Similarly with white. The colour perceived in such circumstances depends on your eyes and your dictionary of colours and the lighting, however insignificant, provided.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by scientificred View Post
            I will start this thread by repeating my post from another thread

            I have never seen anyone who is black or white. We are all different shades of brown.
            Originally posted by scientificred View Post
            I never said that I do not see white.
            Originally posted by scientificred View Post
            You seem to miss the point completely
            There are no black people, there are no white people.
            It is not a matter of blackening or whitening. Regarding Bojo - the TV footage I have seen of him he appears to be of a light tan but I have never met him. Even If I did I would never see he was white, or black for that matter
            You yourself have never seen a white or black man.
            Regarding the red car in a cave without light.
            Black is an ideal. You cannot achieve it. Similarly with white. The colour perceived in such circumstances depends on your eyes and your dictionary of colours and the lighting, however insignificant, provided.
            No such thing as a white man, many would disagree.

            You never said you didn't see white, implying you've seen white.

            White is an ideal that can never been achieved.

            I'm trying to follow you here SR, but you're saying I've never seen a white man, whilst suggesting you've seen something that you also say cannot exist.

            It's a bit like the case of a circle, I've seen circles where a perfect circle cannot exist in nature. Same goes for a triangle etc

            It seems you are using a definition that necessarily must not exist in reality relating to colours to eradicate black and white people.
            Yet are willing to concede that colours are a matter of convention whereby we have numerous cases of people referring to black with things that actually exist.

            It's probably not worth the effort but I find it curious and humorous. Bojo the brownman Johnson has white privilige !!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by CCTV View Post
              No such thing as a white man, many would disagree.

              You never said you didn't see white, implying you've seen white.

              White is an ideal that can never been achieved.

              I'm trying to follow you here SR, but you're saying I've never seen a white man, whilst suggesting you've seen something that you also say cannot exist.

              It's a bit like the case of a circle, I've seen circles where a perfect circle cannot exist in nature. Same goes for a triangle etc

              It seems you are using a definition that necessarily must not exist in reality relating to colours to eradicate black and white people.
              Yet are willing to concede that colours are a matter of convention whereby we have numerous cases of people referring to black with things that actually exist.

              It's probably not worth the effort but I find it curious and humorous. Bojo the brownman Johnson has white privilige !!
              Dear CCTV
              Black and white are perfect ideals.
              I have not claimed to have seen either.
              Similarly Circles, triangles, squares etc. are perfect ideals - as per ancient Greek ponderances - as they can have no line thickness and in the case of triangles and squares etc. their corners are connected by perfect straight lines in a single plane which itself also has no depth.
              You can refer to BoJo's colour as you wish.
              I have no wish or need to describe his colour.
              I made my post because I believe the use of black and white to describe the peoples of this Earth is divisive.

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              • #22
                Wales are set to introduce black history as part of their national curriculum.
                Well done Wales. It's a start!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by scientificred View Post
                  Wales are set to introduce black history as part of their national curriculum.
                  Well done Wales. It's a start!
                  You post there are no black people, just tans and now you post well done Wales for bringing in black history month, when you claim using black and white to describe people is divisive.

                  Or will they be saying the black and tans to make people feel less divided ?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by CCTV View Post
                    You post there are no black people, just tans and now you post well done Wales for bringing in black history month, when you claim using black and white to describe people is divisive.

                    Or will they be saying the black and tans to make people feel less divided ?
                    It's a start!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CCTV View Post
                      You post there are no black people, just tans and now you post well done Wales for bringing in black history month, when you claim using black and white to describe people is divisive.

                      Or will they be saying the black and tans to make people feel less divided ?
                      Black and Tans could be a bit divisive!
                      There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief

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                      • #26
                        The battle isn't about black or white, gay or straight, sick or fit, rich or poor, male or female, the battle is to educate people to see all other people just as other people, or moreso to not make them view people as different in the first place, the problem of all of it is the society we have or rather or parents and grandparents have allowed to be created, our media are a massive issue with the incredible scale of their adverse CBT, in order to control and manipulate the masses, those with the power to, have always used a divide and conquer regime to accumulate their wealth power and position and maintain it, they have deliberately manufactured prejudices between different groups and blame culture towards certain groups to do that, until that changes, nothing will ever really change and the adverse CBT is so engrained and devastatingly effective, it is highly unlikely anything will ever cahnge
                        "If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, i'd close the curtains”

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by redebreck View Post
                          Black and Tans could be a bit divisive!
                          How about Tans & Whites ?

                          Maybe tan & tanner ?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Nineteenx View Post
                            The battle isn't about black or white, gay or straight, sick or fit, rich or poor, male or female, the battle is to educate people to see all other people just as other people, or moreso to not make them view people as different in the first place, the problem of all of it is the society we have or rather or parents and grandparents have allowed to be created, our media are a massive issue with the incredible scale of their adverse CBT, in order to control and manipulate the masses, those with the power to, have always used a divide and conquer regime to accumulate their wealth power and position and maintain it, they have deliberately manufactured prejudices between different groups and blame culture towards certain groups to do that, until that changes, nothing will ever really change and the adverse CBT is so engrained and devastatingly effective, it is highly unlikely anything will ever cahnge
                            Diversity is our strength but we must teach people to not see diversity.
                            A multiculturalism with no unique cultures, no tensions and clashes of ideals.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by scientificred View Post
                              It's a start!
                              A start of what ?
                              What age groups ?
                              What syllabus ?
                              MLK or BLM lens ? Neither ?

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                              • #30
                                So boris is just like you 19, trump too, the israeli government after your epic rant a while back.

                                Greedy, lecherous, racist, nazis... just like you ?

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