Brexit thread 2 Electric Boogaloo

[dicko1969]

Bloomberg estimates Brexit cost £200billion (last 4 years debacle)

Since 1973 the UK the HAS contributed £223bn over 47 years to the EU.

Currently net contribution stands at £5billion per year

Good economical sense to leave 🤔

[Balinkay]

And so it begins.

Don't take this the wrong way, but some part of me would really enjoy it if this went really far south really fast for the UK.

Of course it won't. You'll be fine.

[CCTV]

The first people of Europe to successfully reject the EU via democratic means eventually, hopefully not the last people of Europe to reject the EU.

Order has been restored to the democratic process. Thanks Brits !!

I do hope remainers can start to get on board with the new venture and stop seeing this as Britain's darkest hour, ye've been in far worse predicaments.

[dicko1969]

What has Ireland gained from being in the EU?

It's net is +€100m

[stevie harkness]

And so it begins.

Don't take this the wrong way, but some part of me would really enjoy it if this went really far south really fast for the UK.

Of course it won't. You'll be fine.

If the last 4 years prove anything it's that we don't do anything really fast!

But I'd be interested to know why you think we'll be fine. (I assume you mean economically?)

[Balinkay]

I know next to nothing about politics and even less about economics, but (extremely broadly speaking) I'd expect you to pursue closer ties with the US (cough acting like the 51st state cough) and using the power of London to keep trade flowing. It doesn't seem like leaving the EU will have catastrophic consequenses economically, at least not long term. Afaik the projections of businesses leaving the City in droves haven't been born out, so its power relative to the like of Frankfurt won't decrease as substantially as one might have feared.

I also don't think the second Scottish referendum will see them leave, though I'm not particularly well informed on that either.

The rest follows - if you've got money that's not generated by digging up raw resources from the earth, you tend to do ok. Wether Brexit solves the issues voters who voted for it wanted it to solve remains to be seen. I'm not 100% sure how many of those had to do with the EU and how many were down to your own governments.


Besides - you're British. You've had it so unbelievably good for so unbelievably long, it's hard to imagine you not doing well. You're a bit like the Manchester United of countries.

For me personally it's a bit of a bummer as it'll be harder to visit the isles, but hey-ho - plenty of other ex-empires whose cultures and history I've seen nothing of yet.

[stevie harkness]

Ugh! The Manchester United of countries?!*! - financially well off but a bit crap? prawn sandwiches and Boris at the wheel...

I suppose Britain will be okay economically (also no idea why!, just because!) - but I wonder at what cost.

(meaning Britain the state will be okay. Britain the people? Time will tell..)

Scottish independence would be interesting. Can't see it being allowed to happen though.

[Balinkay]

I do wonder about the people. I get the feeling the EU might have been used as a convenient scapegoat by politicians and what passes for media these days for a while in order to deflect blame.

CC posted a fun video which showed the wealth inequality index (which i supposedly a pretty good indicator for how well the people are in a given country) is slowly rising in the most prosperous EU countries, but the UK is significantly higher than say Germany.

[dicko1969]

I know next to nothing about politics and even less about economics, but (extremely broadly speaking) I'd expect you to pursue closer ties with the US (cough acting like the 51st state cough) and using the power of London to keep trade flowing. It doesn't seem like leaving the EU will have catastrophic consequenses economically, at least not long term. Afaik the projections of businesses leaving the City in droves haven't been born out, so its power relative to the like of Frankfurt won't decrease as substantially as one might have feared.

I also don't think the second Scottish referendum will see them leave, though I'm not particularly well informed on that either.

The rest follows - if you've got money that's not generated by digging up raw resources from the earth, you tend to do ok. Wether Brexit solves the issues voters who voted for it wanted it to solve remains to be seen. I'm not 100% sure how many of those had to do with the EU and how many were down to your own governments.


Besides - you're British. You've had it so unbelievably good for so unbelievably long, it's hard to imagine you not doing well. You're a bit like the Manchester United of countries.

For me personally it's a bit of a bummer as it'll be harder to visit the isles, but hey-ho - plenty of other ex-empires whose cultures and history I've seen nothing of yet.

Italy
France
Spain
Holland

I prefer Italy ; for the food culture and sightseeing

[dicko1969]

I do wonder about the people. I get the feeling the EU might have been used as a convenient scapegoat by politicians and what passes for media these days for a while in order to deflect blame.

CC posted a fun video which showed the wealth inequality index (which i supposedly a pretty good indicator for how well the people are in a given country) is slowly rising in the most prosperous EU countries, but the UK is significantly higher than say Germany.

Media and immigration
History always tells us that immigration is always a good scapegoat

Media makes people afraid
Controls the fears

Fires, viruses, Brexit.... oh war , famine, and severe climate catastrophic conditions

Did you see 175mm in a few hours rain in Brazil

Raining more and bigger quantities. Then in the summer very dry and very hot

Do you trust the media in any country?