Liverpool transfers in/out and rumours 22/23 + Contracts

[jozza800]

Giza job - go-ed...

Do we not think that spotting the potential is pretty easy? Who is to say the Gotze wouldn't have become better than Mane? Or Or that Brandt would not have become superior to Salah? Or that Werner would not have become the most dangerous forward on the planet instead of Jota?

Tell me this. What do you think Stevie G - Alonso - Torres & Mascherano would have become under Jurgen?
I say almost certainly league winners a few times over. The potential spotting is not the tough part - it's getting them in the door then getting them to play.

Plying in the 18-22 side we defintely would have won another league or two.

Would Jurgen have signifcantly done any better than Rafa with N'Gog, Vornin and Philipe Degen in his squad?

[Steveo]

All depends on your perspective on life. I go to London on a regular basis, usually around Chelsea/Fulham and I am always incredibly glad to get back home. I detest London with a passion.

Oh yes - can't say I like London either - but I'm pretty sure most 20 something footballers from France, Spain or Italy....don't share our view on life or hoods - just yet

[Steveo]

Plying in the 18-22 side we defintely would have won another league or two.

Would Jurgen have signifcantly done any better than Rafa with N'Gog, Vornin and Philipe Degen in his squad?

Absolutely he would and Jozza - you know it.

You can keep trying all you like. Rafa did Brilliant but he wasn't able to rally the players in any way like Jurgen. If you don't know that.. well I question your understanding of the sport

[Steveo]

The reality is - Jurgen took a bang average squad that was comfortably below that which Rafa inherited and he got them to the top and won the title.

He ONLY managed to get a better depth of squad together than Rafa by turning water into wine - taking mostly "bang average" to a European final - then lifting us up again and into the CL positions and finall... by selling his best player for an absolute fortune.

[jozza800]

Absolutely he would and Jozza - you know it.

You can keep trying all you like. Rafa did Brilliant but he wasn't able to rally the players in any way like Jurgen. If you don't know that.. well I question your understanding of the sport

Not with that squad. I certainly think he'd have been more effective than Rafa in general but he'd have suffered the same with injuries and the massive drop off in quality. He certainly wouldn't have reproduced what he has over the last 9 years with Rafa's squad. Not a chance.

Rafa would have bitten your hand off for an Origi, a Shaq and Lallana.

We all love Jurgen, and we'll probably never see anyone like him again in our lifetime. But he isn't a wizard.

[Steveo]

Not with that squad. I certainly think he'd have been more effective than Rafa in general but he'd have suffered the same with injuries and the massive drop off in quality. He certainly wouldn't have reproduced what he has over the last 9 years with Rafa's squad. Not a chance.

Rafa would have bitten your hand off for an Origi, a Shaq and Lallana.

We all love Jurgen, and we'll probably never see anyone like him again in our lifetime. But he isn't a wizard.

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/07/200809-liverpools-best-team-since-glory-days/

Come on mate - just how short is your memory? That squad you are laughing at took the best United team they ever had under Fergy all the way. Yes we were a few players short BUT we had 2 cowboys in charge.

That first team is miles better than many that Jurgen had

And Jurgen might have won the lot with Alonso - Gerrard - Mascherano and Sissoko behind Torres and Babel.. In 2009 Rafa did great BUT too defensive - if he plays more proactive we win that title imo

[jozza800]

The reality is - Jurgen took a bang average squad that was comfortably below that which Rafa inherited and he got them to the top and won the title.

He ONLY managed to get a better depth of squad together than Rafa by turning water into wine - taking mostly "bang average" to a European final - then lifting us up again and into the CL positions and finall... by selling his best player for an absolute fortune.

Well not quite. How many of that title winning side were at the club when he took over?

[Steveo]

Well not quite. How many of that title winning side were at the club when he took over?

Absolutely he did. YOu have just bolded the headline to detract from the whole.

A typical tactic when someone is wrong and cannot accept it.

"He ONLY managed to get a better depth of squad together than Rafa by turning water into wine - taking mostly "bang average" to a European final - then lifting us up again and into the CL positions and finall... by selling his best player for an absolute fortune."

What else do you suppose I mean by turning water into wine? Come on Jozza you are better than that

[Insidious]

Who is to say the Gotze wouldn't have become better than Mane? Or Or that Brandt would not have become superior to Salah? Or that Werner would not have become the most dangerous forward on the planet instead of Jota?

Nobody can, definitively, of course not. We'll never know and we can't quantify a reality we don't have access to.

However, despite the point you're making, I don't think you personally reeeeeally believe that -

Brandt would have become equal-or-superior to Salah - with his -

42 goals in 215 appearances for Bayer Leverkusen
40 goals in 216 appearances for Borussia Dortmund.

Or indeed Gotze would have become equal-or-superior to Mane (joined in 15/16 and 21/22 was his last season, yes?) who managed -

15/16 - 6 goals in 21 appearances for Bayern Munich
16/17 - 2 goals in 16 appearances for Borussia Dortmund
17/18 - 2 goals in 32 appearances for Borussia Dortmund
18/19 - 7 goals in 34 appearances for Borussia Dortmund
19/20 - 3 goals in 21 appearances for Borussia Dortmund
20/21 - 6 goals in 25 appearances for PSV Eindhoven
21/22 - 12 goals in 52 appearances for PSV Eindhoven

Werner is a more interesting one - and he's a player with phenomenal movement, so I don't think the idea that he could have been a machine under Klopp is actually terribly far-fetched, but we'll never know. The 95 goals in 159 appearance for Leipzig was certainly excellent. He had all the tools, but so does Darwin in many ways - and Klopp didn't get the very best out of him. Klopp isn't perfect (as close as it gets perhaps!) and neither is the data analytics team - but I still think we can rate both highly rather than it being a "versus" dissection.

[jozza800]

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/07/200809-liverpools-best-team-since-glory-days/

Come on mate - just how short is your memory? That squad you are laughing at took the best United team they ever had under Fergy all the way. Yes we were a few players short BUT we had 2 cowboys in charge.

That first team is miles better than many that Jurgen had

And Jurgen might have won the lot with Alonso - Gerrard - Mascherano and Sissoko behind Torres and Babel.. In 2009 Rafa did great BUT too defensive - if he plays more proactive we win that title imo

Absolutely. I think at least half of that 07-09 side would have walked into the 18-22 side. But outside the first 13 or 14 it was an absolute shambles. N'Gog, Voronin, Degan, Biscan, Insua, Kelly, Riera, Spearing, El Zhar.