Liverpool transfers in/out and rumours 22/23 + Contracts

[jozza800]

They will but look at what Suarez went for - no player has EVER had a better season in the history of this club. Then look at what Coutinho went for.. "Good players playing well" Ok - Ibe, Brewster & Solanke. - remember how they played now imagine selling them in 2015..

So is Jurgen sat at the negotiating table brokering the deal himself?

[Steveo]

Oh no - nobody out there has a clue whats going mate. The negotiators have to tell them how to spell the players name and everything!

Jurgen who? His team? His players and the desire they are showing for him on the pitch? Got nowt to do with any of it.

It's just watch a few clips of the lads technique - and cough up the readies..

honest.

[Insidious]

Yep.. that's the reality. It's why I believe Henry and co are bricking it now. Losing Klopp was effectively like almost everything. How does their model work now?

We'll find out - perhaps we will need to be more pliable with certain aspects of it to adapt and adjust. We tend for example to buy players after they have played a certain number of games and within a certain age bracket, so we have enough data to work with for making accurate assessment. We may at some stage deviate to taking risks in terms of trying to attain players earlier in their development - who's to say? Best we sit back, watch, process and then analyse as currently Slot has clocked up zero matches as our Manager, outside of pre-season. I do think we'll increasingly be targeting young Academy players and developing some into first-teamers as one strategic method - whether that yields the desired results is a massive "wait and see" game, but we do seem to increasingly be bringing talent through.

Hopefully our ability to sniff out release clauses continues to be a factor and in time I hope we can crack getting talent over from South America at earlier stages of their career. Multi-club ownership will likely become part of the model (even though I don't like it, in principle, for the wider good of the game) in time too, so we'll be able to nurture talent at reduced risk.

NO chance you sell the likes of Brewster Ibe or Solanke for what we did WITH a sell on clause unless he is leaving a club managed by Jurgen. I know we have a raft of forumites who believe that Edwards was the hero and all the data analytics was the key..

Why not both?

We have/had good data analytics guys AND and incredible manager - doesn't have to be an either/or, does it? According to past reports -

Klopp didn't want to sign Salah - he wanted Julian Brandt.
Klopp didn't want to sign Mane - he wanted Gotze.
Klopp didn't want to sign Jota - he wanted Werner.

I think the data/recruitment/committee guys get it right a lot of the time (no club has a 100% hit rate with transfers) and an excellent manager did wonderful work with well-recruited players. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that this can continue to work. Whether that yields anything like the trophy haul we had under Klopp remains to be seen and to be fair these things could be circumstantial too. For example, there's an alternate reality where Man City get the book thrown at them and we win 2 Premier League titles in 9 seasons under Arne Slot - a "better" record than Klopp's, but we'd probably still claim that Klopp was the better manager.

I still think we'll have the capacity to sell some players for greater fees than what we bought them for and reinvest. That shouldn't be our only aim with recruitment of course, but (when needed) we have managed before -

Torres for £20m, sold for £50m
Alonso for £11m, sold for £30m.
Sterling for £450k, sold for £50m.

[Steveo]

Yep but the data analysis didn't make:

Mane a good Southampton player who then became truly WC ..before going down the tubes at Bayern and now Saudi!
Salah a good forward - 11th top scorer in Italy the season we signed him into one of the best players on the planet!
Jota a squad player at Wolves - at the level of the other front 3 when fit.


Alonso was bought under Moores and Torres was bought by the cowboys - we just sold him for a mint to Chelsea - which is fairly par for the course..no?

[jozza800]

Yep but the data analysis didn't make:

Mane a good Southampton player who then became truly WC ..before going down the tubes at Bayern and now Saudi!
Salah a good forward - 11th top scorer in Italy the season we signed him into one of the best players on the planet!
Jota a squad player at Wolves - at the level of the other front 3 when fit.


Alonso was bought under Moores and Torres was bought by the cowboys - we just sold him for a mint to Chelsea - which is fairly par for the course..no?

No, but they spotted the potential. Jurgen realised it.

[redebreck]

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Despite the arm twisting and attempts to convince folks that this sad, grey, jingoistic little island is actually an eden - people from outside know.

Players aren't fleeing war zones this nation helped arm, fund and create.. they are stars with a choice. So without the money or the massive persona of a Klopp or the kudos of playing for Pep and both - WHY would you bring your wife and potentially children to this deeply divided island in the north Atlantic..?

Am I "shitting" on the nation.. NO - just telling it like it is. It's cold and wet and dark for too much of the year, the food is dreadful and the culture is being eroded daily in a race towards becoming the 51st state.

Yeah, but that's Manchester in the article.

[Steveo]

No, but they spotted the potential. Jurgen realised it.

Giza job - go-ed...

Do we not think that spotting the potential is pretty easy? Who is to say the Gotze wouldn't have become better than Mane? Or Or that Brandt would not have become superior to Salah? Or that Werner would not have become the most dangerous forward on the planet instead of Jota?

Tell me this. What do you think Stevie G - Alonso - Torres & Mascherano would have become under Jurgen?
I say almost certainly league winners a few times over. The potential spotting is not the tough part - it's getting them in the door then getting them to play.

[Steveo]

Yeah, but that's Manchester in the article.

Precisely..! A city most consider to be miles ahead of Liverpool sadly.. A city claiming to be the second city of the nation.. Yuck

[redebreck]

All depends on your perspective on life. I go to London on a regular basis, usually around Chelsea/Fulham and I am always incredibly glad to get back home. I detest London with a passion.

Same here mate!
Too fecking expensive for a start.

[jozza800]

Giza job - go-ed...

Do we not think that spotting the potential is pretty easy? Who is to say the Gotze wouldn't have become better than Mane? Or Or that Brandt would not have become superior to Salah? Or that Werner would not have become the most dangerous forward on the planet instead of Jota?

Tell me this. What do you think Stevie G - Alonso - Torres & Mascherano would have become under Jurgen?
I say almost certainly league winners a few times over. The potential spotting is not the tough part - it's getting them in the door then getting them to play.

Well why do we worry about any of the transfers we bring in if all it takes is a good manager to turn them into world beaters...

We could save ourselves a hatful not having to pay the scouting department.

We needn't have sold Coutinho and just waited for Jurgen to work his magic on Lovren and Mignolet...