Liverpool transfers in/out and rumours 22/23 + Contracts

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The club underperformed for thirty years and has steadily looked like a club that means business, and has steadily been getting its act together, since FSG have arrived. They’ve had a steep learning curve - it didn’t just all happen at once - but then that could be said of Klopp too.

The boot room believed that good players were the secret to success, not me. I believe you need all three - good players, a good manager, and most importantly, good governance.

Seeing as good governance generally leads to good players and a good manager, it’s easy to see why people get hung up on the good manager, who is undoubtedly important and a key to success.

I don’t object to people settling on this explanation but, if you wish to assert that ‘it’s all down to Klopp, then I wish to object. If you further wish to assert that we are a badly run club, I think it’s worth pointing out that you have left your senses.

The club has won every title bar the Europa league which we have failed to requalfiy for as Klopp has consistently qualified for the CL.
The club has transformed its transfer business since Klopp arrived. Prior to Klopp it was a bit of a mess.
Anti-FSG sentiment has largely been mooted under Klopp, as a result of his impact.

Again, I wouldn't put too much stock in the boot rooms sharing of their success in public.

I've been rather positive in my appraisal of the ownership. Steveo has called JwH, my uncle John due to my stances. I've said they are reasonably good owners in this thread.
So your imagination of me leaving my sense seems odd.

In the lead up to Klopps appointment, many wanted him to be our manager by a large majority. Many didn't think we could attract him on merit.
We didn't attract Klopp on merit, we were lucky that his management style didn't rely on big net spending and being a romantic the allure of LFC really sealed the deal for us.

Listening to bitter rivals of LFC if they could get one man out of LFC, they all pick Klopp.

It's quite possible than under Klopps tenure we become the largest revenue generating club in the PL, and likely top3 in the world.

The clubs standing relative to other clubs in attracting players will be better after Klopp, and during Klopps tenure he was and is a major attraction to top players.

His tenure has seen the club transformed.

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I've said they are reasonably good owners in this thread.
So your imagination of me leaving my sense seems odd.

I never attributed this view to you. It is not an uncommon utterance on here though - it still motivates a lot of the 'if only we had another midfielder' moaning too

His tenure has seen the club transformed.

So has the FSG tenure. This is a circular argument. It is worth stating, once more, that they appointed him and they have got the cub into the condition that suits him, pleases him, supports him, satisfies him and keeps him here.

Also, the squad has been transformed. As discussed, he didn't buy all those players or choose many of them.

It's quite possible than under Klopps tenure we become the largest revenue generating club in the PL, and likely top3 in the world.

It's not Klopp's tenure of the business, its FSG's custodianship of the club. Klopp looks after the football, which they pay him satisfactorily for. That's what his job is. He is doing a fine job, that's why they keep him. The revenue streams he wouldn't have the foggiest about and, yes, it's actually quite a big deal.

One factor that people leave out is the fans, who are at least the fourth most important factor in our success, arguably more so. But they are also part of the product that is sold around the world. They will be here when Klopp goes and all the owners need to do is find a good manager who understands the club and we will go again.

I'm currently trying to set up a business with at least two managers. Those managers will be essential to the success of the business and I will be choosing them based on all the skill, talent and experience they bring to the company. I hope to reward them really well if we can make a success of it. I couldn't do it without them. But I am still taking the major risks, pulling the strings and, after the investors take their cut, assuming we can make a profit, the financial rewards will be mine. It's like that for a reason. Its the natural hierarchy of successful business.

The manager is not the most important person at the club. To be honest with you, I'm surprised he isn't valued higher.. as far as I'm aware he's earning less money than Nathaniel Philips

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I never attributed this view to you. It is not an uncommon utterance on here though - it still motivates a lot of the 'if only we had another midfielder' moaning too



So has the FSG tenure. This is a circular argument. It is worth stating, once more, that they appointed him and they have got the cub into the condition that suits him, pleases him, supports him, satisfies him and keeps him here.

Also, the squad has been transformed. As discussed, he didn't buy all those players or choose many of them.

It's not Klopp's tenure of the business, its FSG's custodianship of the club. Klopp looks after the football, which they pay him satisfactorily for. That's what his job is. He is doing a fine job, that's why they keep him. The revenue streams he wouldn't have the foggiest about and, yes, it's actually quite a big deal.

One factor that people leave out is the fans, who are at least the fourth most important factor in our success, arguably more so. But they are also part of the product that is sold around the world. They will be here when Klopp goes and all the owners need to do is find a good manager who understands the club and we will go again.

I'm currently trying to set up a business with at least two managers. Those managers will be essential to the success of the business and I will be choosing them based on all the skill, talent and experience they bring to the company. I hope to reward them really well if we can make a success of it. I couldn't do it without them. But I am still taking the major risks, pulling the strings and, after the investors take their cut, assuming we can make a profit, the financial rewards will be mine. It's like that for a reason. Its the natural hierarchy of successful business.

The manager is not the most important person at the club. To be honest with you, I'm surprised he isn't valued higher.. as far as I'm aware he's earning less money than Nathaniel Philips

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My view and I'd wager mosts is based on accessing the squad and wanting to win titles.

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Its not circular, the club has transformed under both. The transformation to our lofty highs is down to Klopp, its with his appointment that so much at the club changed in terms of operations.

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He has first and last say on who joins the club.
He also managed to bring the team to the top of club football by essentially removing nearly all of his inherited squad.

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The clubs projected revenue was for growth as the global market for PL and CL clubs was one of growth.
In terms of a dividend from our actual club itself, Klopps 4 European Cup finals, CL qualification, PL title, WCC, SC, Fa & Efl Cup, and general performances are all clear and obvious major benefits to revenue and brand appeal.
He's prioritised the CL for this exact reason, as he's well aware of basic football finances.

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The fans are important, and they seem to rate Klopps impact at the club.
Care to explain which good managers you'd just replace Klopp with tomorrow ?

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No reply, good luck on your ventures.

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Klopps clealry the most important man at LFC.
So far, I've seen little analysis from you, or argument, to support this view of yours.
To be clear who is the most important person at LFC presently ?

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You said:
If you further wish to assert that we are a badly run club, I think it’s worth pointing out that you have left your senses.

That's what I replied to as your imaginative musings

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Its not circular, the club has transformed under both.

The transformation to our lofty highs is down to Klopp, its with his appointment that so much at the club changed in terms of operations.

It is circular because, as you say, the transformation is under both. You claim it is down to one party. I could claim it is down to the other but I don't, I instead claim it is down to both parties.

One party, however, was here before him, making mistakes, learning by them and ultimately working out that he was the right man for the job. They can't do his job because they aren't football managers, but the job they do comes first.

He has first and last say on who joins the club.

I don't think that's right. There is well documented evidence that there is a team assessing who is suitable and puts them forward - they have the first say.

Klopp himself has said that, once that work is done, all he has to do is assess their character to see if he can work with them and if he wants them onboard. In terms of governance of the transfer budget, my opinion is that this arrangement has a touch of genius about it from FSG as it shows excellent planning and total trust in the manager at the same time.

He's prioritised the CL for this exact reason, as he's well aware of basic football finances.

Maybe that's the reason, but I doubt it. It's a bit of a moot point though. Success in the CL has its own draw beyond the financial. It's hard to imagine the owners don't suggest success in Europe would be an excellent idea financially.

Care to explain which good managers you'd just replace Klopp with tomorrow ?

I'd say there's a handful that I think could do well here. I prefer Klopp to all of them but that doesn't mean I don't think there aren't other candidates who might succeed. Do you think Conte could do well with this squad?

To be clear who is the most important person at LFC presently

In my opinion, success starts with the good governance of a football club. You see that everywhere you look in football. Getting a good manager is important but he isn't the emperor, he is merely the prime minister. Chelsea's successful period, for example, will be remembered as the Abramovic era and not so much the Mourino or Di Matteo era.

The fact that we don't like Yanks doesn't change that.

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You said:
If you further wish to assert that we are a badly run club, I think it’s worth pointing out that you have left your senses.

That's what I replied to as your imaginative musings

Yes I was using 'you' in the non-personal sense.. apologies for the lack of clarity

Edit : and also said 'if', which was not attributing the view to you at this point in time

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One party, however, was here before him, making mistakes, learning by them and ultimately working out that he was the right man for the job.

I would also point out that the club was on the verge of bankruptcy when they took over. Bringing Klopp here is a reflection of the stability they have brought to the club since then.

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I would also point out that the club was on the verge of bankruptcy when they took over. Bringing Klopp here is a reflection of the stability they have brought to the club since then.

Agreed!

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'I love the history,' Klopp told Liverpool legend Robbie Fowler

'I really am a football romantic. I knew I probably can help. They maybe really need me, in this time. I know what I'm good at.

'When they told me about the problems they had I thought "OK, yeah, I am probably the really right manager for that club".

Jurgen Klopp

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And that was in 2018…. since then we have learned that he was likely on his way to United but for his wife.

From the mirror:
Jurgen Klopp's wife stopped him from taking Man Utd job - and is why he's at Liverpool


https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jurgen-klopps-wife-stopped-him-22258074.amp