Florian Wirtz

[Steveo]

Agreed. I watched the whole game though..

BUT he has walked into a complete mess. Same for Hugo though.. and he was dropped for no good reason by a weak manager. Trust me - Slot is on thin ice. I feel sorry for him, but right now he looks out of his depth. A good run of results over Christmas is the bare minimum for him. At least that's what I am hearing

Florian needs to help him out. He needs to show far far more and we all know it. Any player can come good given enough ooportunity, the point is - will it happen in time. This is the problem when you pay that much for one man.

Hope it happens.. clock ticking

[Kev0909]

Not his fault the fee though, well in a way it is because he stormed the german league and everyone has rated him one of the best young players for a reason..... he hasn't turned into Jones who's had a few good games, but very average v spurs...

he's just not what we needed in the first place, still don't understand it how we can be short on the flanks in attack... CB and could do with another midfielder in the middle not attack minded.... yet we buy 2 strikers and wirtz.... one waste of time for this season.... best window ever they said, Lols.

instead of isak, we should've got a boss LW who can play up front too, and have some money left over for a midfielder/CB

Why are the "Transfer staff" still employed- like the set-piece coach i'll never know

[Red October]

Agreed. I watched the whole game though..

BUT he has walked into a complete mess. Same for Hugo though.. and he was dropped for no good reason by a weak manager. Trust me - Slot is on thin ice. I feel sorry for him, but right now he looks out of his depth. A good run of results over Christmas is the bare minimum for him. At least that's what I am hearing

Florian needs to help him out. He needs to show far far more and we all know it. Any player can come good given enough ooportunity, the point is - will it happen in time. This is the problem when you pay that much for one man.

Hope it happens.. clock ticking

Yeah. I'm inclined to agree re Slot. The biggest issue is the manner of performance. It's been dreadful by and large and even last season we were effective but quite boring. Is that what we want from Liverpool?

[teesred]

We have a German salesman come over to England last week for a company knees up. He's been going to Leverkusen games for 30 years and says Wirtz is the best player he's ever seen.

He also said the same as you Ian, that he's just getting enough of the ball.

But I think it's just the way we play. It's too slow, we want far too many touches of the ball.

I thought Wirtz linked up quite well Kirkez. At least he passes him the ball, unlike Gakpo!

Even at £100m it's far too early to write him off. Caicedo looked a waste of money in his first season. Chelsea ditched both De Bruyne and Mo after a season.

Agree. I'm not one bit concerned about him. It'll happen eventually and like you say look at how Caciedo started compared to now. Night and day.
He's a young kid in a foreign country in a different league with a huge price tag that'll feel like a millstone.

[Red October]

Not his fault the fee though, well in a way it is because he stormed the german league and everyone has rated him one of the best young players for a reason..... he hasn't turned into Jones who's had a few good games, but very average v spurs...

he's just not what we needed in the first place, still don't understand it how we can be short on the flanks in attack... CB and could do with another midfielder in the middle not attack minded.... yet we buy 2 strikers and wirtz.... one waste of time for this season.... best window ever they said, Lols.

instead of isak, we should've got a boss LW who can play up front too, and have some money left over for a midfielder/CB

Why are the "Transfer staff" still employed- like the set-piece coach i'll never know

It's a strange one. We could make the case for these signings if the manager seemed to use them better I think. Get Kerkez to the by-line. Get Macca and Salah out of the team when underperforming. Get Chiesa or Frimpong or someone on the RW to get crosses in. Attack attack attack. Put the opposition on the back-foot instead of turning back and passing inside all the time. I won't be convinced that the players we have shouldn't/couldn't be playing a lot better than they currently are:

Alisson
VVD
(even Konate)
Kerkez
Grav
Szobo
Bradley (Frimpong if fit)
Ekitike
Wirtz
Chiesa

All of the above are more than capable of putting together some decent games. Why aren't they? They've been by and large awful since September. It's now Christmas.....

[JockStrap]

He's a brilliant player. We could sit and argue stats all day but fundamentally you can either see it or you can't. I suspect some are just looking for him to fail so don't want to see it. They are usually the ones mentioning the price.

As for pace and power, who cares.

Kenny, not the quickest nor strongest.
Beardsley, not the quickest nor strongest.
Coutinho, not the quickest nor strongest.
Firmino, not the quickest nor strongest.

And on and on.

To appreciate Wirtz you just need to know a little bit about football and how it's played. That's not a dig it's just a fact.

[Steveo]

People are questioning his performances to date. Telling us all he's a brilliant player is laughable, when most of us were over the moon with his capture.

We know what he is capable of - some are simply are asking when will see it in this league.

IF you're on a charm offensive to try and dilute your own stench - perhaps add something of meaning - or troll off.

Oh And Kenny was one of the best at shielding the ball you will ever see. That's Strength and balance.. So too Bobby. Without both neither would have got close to legend status. Coutinho had some of the quickest feet going and was super fast off the mark - wicked Acceleration.. Beardsley could dribble very well but played in one of the finest Liverpool sides in history alongside the great John Barnes when he was one of the best footballers in the world..

I suggest getting to know the legendary players of the club you pretend to support first.. Do that and maybe stop the - No Shit Sherlock add ons like trying to tell us that 'Shankly was of a different time'. Add something other than your constant moaning about moaning and maybe you's get a Christmas card

then come back.. if you must..

[JockStrap]

I know what those players were capable of. I was the one who mentioned them and I'll take no lectures from you. The comparison was about power and pace which is an apt one, seeing as people like you harp on about Wirtz not having any pace. Do keep up.

If you're asking when we'll see it in the league then you totally missed the point of my post. But that's normal for you.

We already are seeing it. You just don't know what you're looking at. Unless he's beating 3 players and banging in goals from 20 yards you're baffled. Wake up. It's obvious how good he is to anyone with any knowledge of football. As I said in another thread, you'll come around in 6 months, once the masses have woken up. Until then it's pointless having this conversation with you.

[Steveo]

Yea sure..Again - total bollox from the troll.. In 6 months if he is delivering what we expected then that's great.. I have seen improvement in his game of late.. but people are talking about what he has delivered to date..In the here and now.

Meanwhile you are having an argument with your sorry self...


As for Coutinho... see below.. then switch brain on.

Christmas Present for those who want to learn about top level.. Best technician Klopp ever had - tragic career loss and fall in form after leaving his mentor - but at his peak.. the best we had since Luis Suarez. Some might argue but they will just highlight how little they know about this game.

Ball on a fooking string.. NO he wasn't the quickest over a long distance .. but super swift over the 3 yards that count... - if you understand what players learn at the academy and put out on the training ground - and still get flawed and made to look like chumps - you know what you are seeing.

Keep this fella and add what we did with his funds.. and we have 22 and 7 or 8 - easy. That's the Glory we all know was there for the taking.


So as I have mentioned- IF Wirtz is half the player this lad was.. we have done very very well.

[JockStrap]

Touch, control, precision

[CCTV]

Incredible signing compared to Isak

I'm seeing rating's wise in the last 2 he's been pretty good MoTm last game????

Dunno what you lot are missing?

all the experts and pundits say he'll come good, that'll do me over some people that wanted slot sacked after 3 losses after winning his season the first season with us, can't lie, i'm sure he'll be fine

You guys think isak was a better signing over Wirtz I take it?

I've seen those ratings, whoscored & futmob iirc also. He's shown a strong mentality since arriving.

Millers lost the plot with Wirtz, he'd have sold him in August
Sobozla played 10 last year. Utterly bizarre to deny that we won the title with Sobozla 10.

19 too - who seems incapable of accepting we played 4231 last year,
and seems wholly convinced you can't press und counterpress in 4231 - the system Klopp primarily used with Dortmund. Yet cites cfc 4231 as pressing correctly this season.

Wirtz has come into a squad with a stink, it's been tough and he doesn't go hiding. Taking sometime to adapt, 2 solid performances back to back in the league ain't much, but hes settling in. He looks determined to succeed.

[miller0863]

I’ve lost the plot with people comparing Wirtz to Kenny, Beardsley, Coutinho and Firmino.

Then trying to justify it by showing a clip of a 5 yard pass my Mother could have made.

As far as I am concerned his best game was away in Frankfurt, he has not positively influenced a game since.

And wtf would I want a player we spent £100m on to fail?? Talk sense ffs.

[Steveo]

Touch, control, precision

. Twas nice from Florian.. Very cute..but leaves Isak with much to do - at a huge cost.. Would like to see much more though. Like this for instance.. from a 20 year old Coutinho in the same league..

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Beats his man all ends up - then shows "Touch, control, precision" to put it on a plate..




Oh and for the record - when trying to tell us that black is white - Jokestrap:

Have the decency to read the thread first and work out who you are trolling.

October 20th

As miller said - Wirtz isn’t getting anywhere near the levels Coutinho was at for a numbers of years, he doesn’t have those tools. If you’re accepting of that - you won’t be too disappointed.

He has quality - that’s not in doubt - the question is how much and when will it shine? I am well aware that it takes time for many players - See Robert Pires… but most show something, as yet - I’m sorry -unless you have a low bar technically speaking - you won’t have seen anything worthy of even half the fee.

But he is 22, and he will get better than he has been thus far… Of that I am confident, But I am equally confident that he was massively overpriced... at least at his current level. You never know - in 2 years we might be saying he was a snip… That’s football

4h November

True - but I would add it was against a very powerful Real Madrid side - if you can play well v that - you’ll do well anywhere I think.

He lacks pace - but has quality. If he clicks it could be magic

12th November

The size issue is nonsense - ‘top class’ players are top class players - David Silva the best we have seen in an age in Premier league football since this fella:

If Wirtz gets halfway to the level of Luka Modric he will be rated as the greatest player m in history. Germany does not produce that level of technique. Kroos about as good as it gets for the Teutons… The Luka level is a pipe dream. But still IF Florian has the technique he can be a superb Premier league player. His size isn’t the issue. It might be IF he is to play the Bobby role - but won’t be IF he tries to emulate David Silva…

Here’s to hoping

3oth November

If he plays like he did today - he doesn’t really need to bulk up. That was a glimpse of the player we all were over the moon about signing

2nd December

Yep he’s starting to become a genuine problem is Carra. Wish he’d refrain from getting emotional about us. But his loyalty is to the media these days. ingratiates himself to the club’s hierarchy for access but is putting it on our players with much of what he says. Wirtz just had a very good game - the last thing he needs it KDB comparisons from a lad who must have been close to the back of the queue when talent was being handed out,

10th December

Looked far better and made a real difference last night in that setup though to be fair to him

[JockStrap]

I replied to the thread and said Wirtz is a brilliant player. You responded. How is that me trolling you?

Miller chimes in and completely misses the point with the comparison around power and pace. Is that him trolling me?

And Isak didn't have to break stride. It was the perfect pass. Just ask Miller's mum, apparently.

[JockStrap]

And if you want to prattle on about transfer fees, then we sold Coutinho for £140m, 7 years ago. We bought Wirtz for £100m. Ergo Coutinho should be 1.5 times the player Wirtz is. I believe Wirtz will be every bit as good as Coutinho so we got a bargain.