Football news part Trois

You've been asked to provide any, from your many.
Be a man, name the many.

You've been shown your 15 points from 10 games prediction occurred more than 2 months after Slot was announced.

I guess 15 points was your revised predictions based on how highly you rated Slot...

Already this season you are at it again, ArtetaFamTVeo

[Steveo]

You predicted 15 points from the opening 10 games.
You said the lack of quality in Klopps squad would shine through after he left.

Then Slot won the league with that same squad dropping 20 points over 34 games.

Dropping 10 on the last 4 whilst celebrating on the beach as champions for the 20th time.
This seems to be your big stick

And yes he does have a good record with injuries.

You said:



You've been asked to provide any, from your many.
Be a man, name the many.

I'll address your new theory
when you answer the question and provide names

I did predict 15 points from the opening 10 games. So what...? ...You predicted Darwin would be earth shattering. Again - so what.. What has any of that to do with what we are discussing. ?

Slot won the league with 2 points more than the same squad managed the season prior. That 82 points coming with a brand new midfield - in their first season. Unprecedented Injury crisis to boot and 2 rivals who would both have finished above us last season - with the Arse 5 points clear in second..?

City and Arsenal both had better squads - the points show it - OUR owners actions this summer show that THEY think it too.


What bit of this are you unable to tackle?

All of it. as usual..

Today you said:

Before we found a manager I suggested a massive slump from us.

Steveo said:
25th July 2024 08:53 PM
15 points.

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?310490-First-10-games-expectations%85

Arne Slot finally breaks silence over becoming next Liverpool manager

Friday 17 May 2024 16:45 BST

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/arne-slot-next-liverpool-manager-feyenoord-b2546934.html

Again you struggle to deal with the timeline of your own posts.

I spoke about the lack of depth behind the first choice - it was exposed in Klopp's last season. He landed second and 3rd choice targets too - but almost got a quad out of them. You are twisting words to suit an agenda. As mentioned many times - any kind of injury crisis last term and we are derailed - no injury crisis or bollock dropping by our 2 main rivals and even with everything that we did - it's probably not enough.


IF we were strong enough last time out - and I was so wrong... WHY do our penny pinching owners break ranks and go breaking the bank this summer.... unlike when we took 99 points? What is it do we think driving this?


You refuse to accept reality.. It's sad affliction..

You predicted 15 points from the opening 10 games.
You said the lack of quality in Klopps squad would shine through after he left.

Then Slot won the league with that same squad dropping 20 points over 34 games.

Dropping 10 on the last 4 whilst celebrating on the beach as champions for the 20th time.
This seems to be your big stick

And yes he does have a good record with injuries.

You said:

Owners well aware of it. Went massive this summer because they know full well, Klopp's charisma and star which is still written across the club won't last forever. Slot's a great coach but he won't hold that together long.He needs to be a super success on the pitch - like Paisley was, and even then - players won't have that bond with him that they had with Jurgen. We have seen many already show a lack of loyalty.

Get used to it.

You've been asked to provide any, from your many.
Be a man, name the many.

I'll address your new theory
when you answer the question and provide names

[Steveo]

That's nice of you to share your tickets like that Steveo...
Hopefully the two lads avail of this really nice gesture by you..

And they say the education system in Ireland is one of the best in the EU..?

The only gesture is that of a chat... But you are hilarious Justin. The wonderful Swedish climate granting you even more wit than usual.


I am asking the clowns IF they need things clarified. A thinly veiled pointer that perhaps they should show their support for the club and buy some tickets of their own.. Get to a game...?

A verbal exchange might finally make it easier for those who seem to struggle with the written word.

[Steveo]

Slot got 84 points last year, and lost 10 points in his last 4 games with reports of parties in ibiza etc over those last few games.

Meaning in the first 34 games he dropped 20 points.
You predicted a maximum of 15 points from Slots opening 10 games. Such a high rating...

Meaning you had the amazing Slot dropping 15 points in 1st 10 PL games with Klopps squad.

You talked about how the lack of quality in Klopps squad would really shine through after his departure.

As we now know, you were wrong again.

Sadly when pressed on the many in this thread, you cannot provide any. Which is your usual level of substance & integrity. None.

Before we found a manager I suggested a massive slump from us. No argument and I have never denied it. Most people did. YOU alone knew we would win the title and I assume you have the winnings to prove it.

However as early as August once I had listened to Slot speak - before his team had even kicked a bal - I suggested and this I put in quotes. "the owners might just have done it again" and my meaning was clear. I was suggesting that they might just have found the guy that was perfect for the job at hand. A different guy to Jurgen who had to build it all from scratch.. but potentially the perfect fit once more.

Also in the wake of missing out on Alonso and bagging Slot From May 2024

Yes - Alonso all day long BUT in the absence of him and his Brilliance - I have to say I am impressed with what I have seen of Slot.

So stop with your bullshit.

And I spoke about the lack of depth behind the first choice - it was exposed in Klopp's last season. He landed second and 3rd choice targets too - but almost got a quad out of them. You are twisting words to suit an agenda. As mentioned many times - any kind of injury crisis last term and we are derailed - no injury crisis or bollock dropping by our 2 main rivals and even with everything that we did - it's probably not enough.

Same team.

82 points -
84 points -

IF we were strong enough last time out - and I was so wrong... WHY do our penny pinching owners break ranks and go breaking the bank this summer.... unlike when we took 99 points? What is it do we think driving this?


You refuse to accept reality.. It's a sad affliction..

[justincredible]

Laughable misunderstanding from the Oirish clown once again…

Also I told you all that Klopp would walk towards the backend of his penultimate season. And many laughed. This was just a few months before he announced he would.
In fact we now know he was thinking about announcing it before the season even started. So my hunch was spot on. I could see the exhaustion - the mental fatigue it took him to build that squad and keep it competitive with the budget he had. ONLY finally managing to belatedly upgrade the midfield which had lost its legs.

This is what I said - and it was all but proved correct by the big man himself. He couldn’t operate at that intensity anymore. Why? Because he took on the lot. The Club too have all but admitted he was doing to much and have since diluted the role for Slot.

So once again for the two seemingly unlikely bedfellows - You are both guilty of being unable to read - comprehend - and of failing to accept reality AND the facts.

Super Fans.

I just got tickets for the Palace Cup game. Not cheap but relatively… Which one of you two bozzos’s (hopefully both) fancies meeting up at anfield to discuss this further…?

That's nice of you to share your tickets like that Steveo...
Hopefully the two lads avail of this really nice gesture by you..

https://forums.lfconline.co.uk/showthread.php?310561-2024-25-Squad&p=2838613#post2838613

My opening post 1/9/24 & BPF 5/9/24 a stark contrast to your assessment.

Slot got 84 points last year, and lost 10 points in his last 4 games with reports of parties in ibiza etc over those last few games.

Meaning in the first 34 games he dropped 20 points.
You predicted a maximum of 15 points from Slots opening 10 games. Such a high rating...

Meaning you had the amazing Slot dropping 15 points in 1st 10 PL games with Klopps squad.

You talked about how the lack of quality in Klopps squad would really shine through after his departure.

As we now know, you were wrong again.

Sadly when pressed on the many in this thread, you cannot provide any. Which is your usual level of substance & integrity. None.

[Steveo]

Save the forum from your garbage:

For the record Slot did an amazing job last season, but anyone denying he did it with Klopp's squad is literally denying the facts. Anyone who tries to suggest that every one of those players who won that title we not only bought under Klopp but coached into the players they are today by him.


If you want to compare I suggest that Jurgen Klopp's last season (2023/24) was a better, more difficult achievement than Arne Slot's title-winning season (2024/25) because the level of competition Klopp faced was vastly superior. City were not in the midst of 115 charges and Arsenal didn't have their own litany of injuries. Here goes:


Klopp's Last (2023/24)----82 points----3rd---91 points (Man City)
Slot's First (2024/25)-----84 points----1st ---84 points (Liverpool)


Look at the points. Klopp's team got 82 points and finished 3rd, while Slot's team (Klopp's players) got 84 points and won the title. The difference is only 2 points, but the outcome is the whole league. Why? Because the league itself was fundamentally different.


Last season was a title won by us managing 2 points more than the same team with an entirely new midfield...in it's first season.. BUT also partly due to rivals' massive underperformance. If a Liverpool fan is too blinkered to accept that - that is their problem not mine.

The 90+ Point Barrier: In Klopp's peak years, and in his last season, the Premier League title required a minimum of 90-95+ points (Man City won with 91 points in 2023/24, and often won with 97, 98, or 100).

The 84 points Slot won with is one of the lowest title-winning totals in a decade. In a standard Premier League season dominated by peak Manchester City or Arsenal, 84 points would barely guarantee a second or third-place finish. It wouldn't even be close to enough to win the title."

The Rivals' Collapse: Few could argue against the reality that Slot's title was enabled by a historic dip in form from the primary contenders.

Manchester City: "Man City, who won the league with 91 points the year before, suddenly collapsed to finish on 71 points!. That is a staggering 20-point drop. Slot did not have to beat peak Pep Guardiola; he benefited from City's worst season in years. This is fact

Similarly, Arsenal, who had pushed City close for two consecutive seasons, dropped to 74 points. When your two main rivals finish 10 and 13 points behind you, the pressure and competitive ceiling of the league are simply lower. This is the reality

The argument on Klopp's Context'Fatigue' and 'Injury'

Sustaining the Machine: Jurgen's genius was maintaining a squad that could even compete for the title race and finish on 82 points despite facing two critical head-winds: Fatigue and Rebuild.

The Midfield Rebuild: In the summer before his final season, Klopp had to essentially replace his entire elite midfield (Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Keita) while simultaneously preparing to leave the club. This kind of systemic, structural change is a massive drain on a manager and often causes a huge points drop - yet it didn't...?

The Injury Crisis: On top of the rebuild, Klopp had to navigate a severe, record-breaking injury crisis in the second half of the season that saw his team forced to rely on academy players for weeks on end. To maintain 82 points and win the Carabao Cup under that duress is IMO a greater display of managerial strength than winning a title with 84 points - especially when some voices suggest that rivals handed it to you.

Klopp's 82 points were achieved in the most hostile, high-pressure competitive environment the Premier League has ever seen, while simultaneously rebuilding his team and fighting an injury crisis. Slot's 84 points were enough for the title because the Premier League experienced a massive vacuum of quality at the top that year. We won because Man City and Arsenal had the kind of season that Klopp's Liverpool hadn't had in years.

[Steveo]

Laughable misunderstanding from the Oirish clown once again…

Also I told you all that Klopp would walk towards the backend of his penultimate season. And many laughed. This was just a few months before he announced he would.
In fact we now know he was thinking about announcing it before the season even started. So my hunch was spot on. I could see the exhaustion - the mental fatigue it took him to build that squad and keep it competitive with the budget he had. ONLY finally managing to belatedly upgrade the midfield which had lost its legs.

This is what I said - and it was all but proved correct by the big man himself. He couldn’t operate at that intensity anymore. Why? Because he took on the lot. The Club too have all but admitted he was doing to much and have since diluted the role for Slot.

So once again for the two seemingly unlikely bedfellows - You are both guilty of being unable to read - comprehend - and of failing to accept reality AND the facts.

Super Fans.

I just got tickets for the Palace Cup game. Not cheap but relatively… Which one of you two bozzos’s (hopefully both) fancies meeting up at anfield to discuss this further…?

Imagine a manager coming in, new league, new team and winning the league rather easily and stll STILL all down to klopp yep.. that's he won the season before, squad didn't change that much

Bring back Klopp slotty out

Guess what buttercups slot is going to win more in a shorter time, Klopp transformed us from the gutter though but so did the transfer team wasn't all about him, we got it SO wrong before with transfers etc, went through a really bad period

In September 2024 he posted the squad caused Klopp to walk early, and blamed FSG for that squad. He even said Klopp couldn't compete with Arteta who "overtook" Klopp.

Then when Slot won the league he pivoted to Klopps squad, and all Slot did was play the great squad Klopp left to Slot. The same best 11 even refusing to acknowledge the emergence of Grav under Slot

Slot winning the league put a real spanner in the works for poor steveo. He was desperate for ArtetaFamTV to win the league.

Originally Posted by Steveo

Owners well aware of it. Went massive this summer because they know full well, Klopp's charisma and star which is still written across the club won't last forever. Slot's a great coach but he won't hold that together long. He needs to be a super success on the pitch - like Paisley was, and even then - players won't have that bond with him that they had with Jurgen. We have seen many already show a lack of loyalty.

Get used to it.

Now I already asked:
Who has shown a lack of loyalty to Slot based on his insufficient bonding ?

I see he can't back up his bs, again.

If Slot does a Paisley, players will die for him. Absolute bollocks from Steveo as usual

[teesred]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c39rp81knypo

Just shows how massively in demand the club is now, their commerce growth is off the scale now. Sad that the only real chance of a ticket is through these types which in turn feeds the monster. Rock and a hard place etc.

[Kev0909]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgr499wn4eo

Doesn't surprise me though considering how hard it is to get tickets, obviously liverpool being one of the hardest to get tickets for because it's a club in London, Lol.

[Kev0909]

Its funny how much absolute bollox you talk to run Slot down

Imagine a manager coming in, new league, new team and winning the league rather easily and stll STILL all down to klopp yep.. that's he won the season before, squad didn't change that much

Bring back Klopp slotty out

Guess what buttercups slot is going to win more in a shorter time, Klopp transformed us from the gutter though but so did the transfer team wasn't all about him, we got it SO wrong before with transfers etc, went through a really bad period